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Panasonic 14.1MP Digital Camera with Leica 16x Optical Zoom, GPS & HD Video

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wootalyzer


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Wootalyzer's Pricing Post! - The price of today's woot item is saved here for future reference
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Panasonic 14.1MP Digital Camera with Leica 16x Optical Zoom, GPS & HD Video
$189.99 + $5 Shipping
Condition: Refurbished

*DISCLAIMER* Wootalyzer! is in no way affiliated with Woot!, and this post may not always be here!

putdowntheducky


quality posts: 9 Private Messages putdowntheducky

GPS sounds nice for when I want to recall something, but what if I DON'T want everyone to know exactly where I took my pictures? Can the feature be turned off?

mrabu


quality posts: 1 Private Messages mrabu

woot did you try to trick me??? it sure isn't much cheaper then a new one.

rahil123


quality posts: 6 Private Messages rahil123

New for $214; choice of colors.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-ZS10-Digital-Stabilized-Function/dp/B004KKZ0HY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318136533&sr=8-1

ruf1o


quality posts: 15 Private Messages ruf1o

I still remember my first digital camera... it was a 5mp sony with a carl zeiss lens. I thought I was the Monster A-Go Go (1965), even though I had a camera that could barely fit in my pocket... I miss those days back at duke

Let's go Duke!

whatsamattaU


quality posts: 1077 Private Messages whatsamattaU

quantamm


quality posts: 85 Private Messages quantamm

What about the battery? Can I use a 3rd party battery? Or is this one locked down like many other Panasonics?

spelluck


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putdowntheducky wrote:GPS sounds nice for when I want to recall something, but what if I DON'T want everyone to know exactly where I took my pictures? Can the feature be turned off?



Yes, the feature can be turned off. I actually would recommend it, as it always remains on and drains the battery.

I have the slightly newer version of this, and it is an awesome camera. I've probably taken the best pictures of my life with this camera, and I suck at taking pictures.

woncoolone


quality posts: 1156 Private Messages woncoolone

Previous Woot!
edit: from September 11

deathopie


quality posts: 7 Private Messages deathopie

This thing kicks some serious assssss!
(now that's a quality post right there)

whatsamattaU


quality posts: 1077 Private Messages whatsamattaU

4 posts from previous woot by me:
It was $239.99 last August (and $199.99 last September vs. $189.99 tonight --this is an update for 10-9-11).

Product webpage:
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/zs10_tz20/index.html

including tab to multiple reviews:
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/evaluated/index.html#zs10

From the US Panasonic website:

Product support page:
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/support/Cameras-Camcorders/Digital-Cameras/Lumix-Digital-Cameras/model.DMC-ZS10K

including product manual assuming I picked the right model:
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/DMCZS10_ADV.PDF

Limited consumer reviews on tab for main US product page:
http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/shop/Cameras-Camcorders/LUMIX-Digital-Cameras-Point-amp-Shoot-Models/model.DMC-ZS10K

I can tell you that I have bought several Panasonic cameras (including 1 refurb--see definition in my signature below) and have not been disappointed, and provide

froogle

and show you that PC Magazine's last Readers' choice award for digital cameras went to Panasonic and Canon last fall:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368159,00.asp

including the chart itself:
http://www.pcmag.com/image_popup/0,1871,iid=267324,00.asp

Speaking of cameras in general, not necessarily this model, PC World readers put Panasonic on top last fall:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/211090/2010_reliability_and_service_survey_cameras.html

Other reviews:

CNet:
http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/panasonic-lumix-dmc-zs10/4505-6501_7-34505755.html

PCWorld:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/224737/review_panasonic_lumix_dmczs10.html

ZDNet's collection of the reviews if you would prefer:
http://www.zdnet.com/reviews/product/digital-cameras/panasonic-lumix-dmc-zs10-silver/34505713

Digital Camera Review:
http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=4705&review=panasonic+lumix+zs10

hanqi


quality posts: 3 Private Messages hanqi

What is the "21x" sticker on the camera for? the details say the camera is only 16x optical zoom.

21x digital zoom?

Hanqi.

robin731


quality posts: 6 Private Messages robin731
putdowntheducky wrote:GPS sounds nice for when I want to recall something, but what if I DON'T want everyone to know exactly where I took my pictures? Can the feature be turned off?



Yes it can, which you may want to do not only for privacy reasons but also because the GPS tends to run the battery down quickly.

And in case you forget to turn it off, you can always remove the location data afterwards.

sdbcmr


quality posts: 16 Private Messages sdbcmr

I'm in the market for a camera to give as a gift, and I do like the Lumix line a lot, but this one's at Amazon - NEW, not REFURB - for only $25 more, in a choice of colors (but brown costs more ... what's up with that?) ... and with free shipping.

Just sayin' ...

EDIT: Umm ... well ... uhh ... OK, so it's NOT free shipping. It's $8.49. But still.

Roostalee


quality posts: 26 Private Messages Roostalee

These are very highly recommended point and shoot cameras, but I'm in the market for a zoom lens for my Canon DSLR, so I'll have to pass.

Potrzebie!

whatsamattaU


quality posts: 1077 Private Messages whatsamattaU
sdbcmr wrote:I'm in the market for a camera to give as a gift, and I do like the Lumix line a lot, but this one's at Amazon - NEW, not REFURB - for only $25 more, in a choice of colors (but brown costs more ... what's up with that?) ... and with free shipping.

Just sayin' ...

EDIT: Umm ... well ... uhh ... OK, so it's NOT free shipping. It's $8.49. But still.



But also, I can't find that the Amazon offer ($214 + $8.49 shipping) includes the accessories. (1 Panasonic Lumix Accessory Kit Including Leather Lumix Carrying Case, Stylus & 4GB SD Card--not sure how much these are worth individually). Maybe the Amazon offer does have these accessories and just not mentioned, but someone needs to verify this. It was linked above, but I put in the editing feature to "insta-click"
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-ZS10-Digital-Stabilized-Function/dp/B004KKZ0HY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318136533&sr=8-1

Roostalee


quality posts: 26 Private Messages Roostalee
whatter wrote:Amazon has it for the same price:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004KKZ0HY/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished



Yeah, but did you read the name of the 3rd party store that fulfills the order? I'd rather go with Woot, especially for the same price.

Potrzebie!

whatsamattaU


quality posts: 1077 Private Messages whatsamattaU
whatter wrote:Amazon has it for the same price:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004KKZ0HY/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished



$12.24 shipping, and again, the question is whether it has the accessory kit. Not sure if it's worth enough to buy this, but the question is whether the accessory kit is worth it--I would think so(?).

rodan32


quality posts: 4 Private Messages rodan32

I can plus one Panasonic cameras. They're quick to start up and focus. Image quality is very good (especially for being a point and shoot). They aren't always tops in low light, but good technique helps that, and the later generations are much better. I still carry an older 6mp Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX9 everywhere with me. It's more than 5 years old, and I'm just now thinking of upgrading. My wife has had other Lumix models and was very happy with them; she's up to like 30,000 images on Flickr (she's kind of insane about taking pictures of the kids).

As for the GPS, I've heard it can be a little finicky and have some impact on battery life. But it's an interesting feature anyway, and I expect it will be very mainstream soon.

manfromoxford


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I have one of these and all I can say is this camera ROCKS.

retswerb


quality posts: 9 Private Messages retswerb
rodan32 wrote:I can plus one Panasonic cameras



Yeah, me too. We had a beater Lumix that we carried around lots -- even survived getting dropped more than once.

Still, seems like an awful lot to spend for a refurb point and shoot.

jimray


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I didn't see it in the spec's, how large of an SD card is supported? And I don't see a tripod receptacle in any of the pic's. It would be needed with that aamount of zoom.

robin731


quality posts: 6 Private Messages robin731
JonSnow wrote:Seriously why does this question come up every single time? It's 16x optical PLUS 5x digital zoom. Not that difficult to understand.



That would actually be a total of 80x, but it's the right general idea. 16x optical zoom and another 1.3x "Intelligent Zoom" (i.e. digital zoom). I had a ZX6 camera that did the same thing, and the digital part looked horrendous. Far better to not use it and stick to optical zoom.

That was a very frustrating camera - I loved the features and the handling (except for the mechanical play/record switch), and it sometimes took very good photos. Unfortunately, it sometimes took really poor photos, and there was no way to know in advance which you were going to get. It seemed to have particular trouble with low-contrast textures, like hair or foliage, and would turn them into unpleasant-looking smears.

This appears to be a Panasonic ZS family trait - here's what the people at dpreview.com had to say about the ZS10:

"Our main complaint about the ZS10 regards its image quality. In bright, high-contrast scenes, detail reproduction is high, but the ZS10 has real problems when it comes to resolving low contrast detail. Even at its base ISO, images taken on overcast days look mushy and lifeless at 100% on screen, and image quality drops as the ISO sensitivity is increased."

They also did a travel zoom comparison test in which it fared badly. If I wanted such a camera, I'd think really hard about saving up the extra money for a Canon SX230 HS.

rmhartman


quality posts: 3 Private Messages rmhartman
retswerb wrote:Yeah, me too. We had a beater Lumix that we carried around lots -- even survived getting dropped more than once.

Still, seems like an awful lot to spend for a refurb point and shoot.



I always look at the Lumix when it's on sale here, because I want the high _optical_ zoom. However I always end up deciding "nope, too much". Every year in Jan or Feb they sell another camera. Pocket sized. Thin. Takes great pictures, reasonable price. (I wish I could remember the name ... but I misplaced the last one I got and am waiting for January to roll around again ...)

mattlscc


quality posts: 34 Private Messages mattlscc

Spent all my money on iPhone 4s... none left for this.

rom


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Im using an older model of this (ZS6) and have been encountering "memory full" messages on my eyefi car frEquently. I'm not sure if the problem is eyefi's. Just sharing.

Beyond that. Panasonic Lumix are the best!

skiddyfisk


quality posts: 0 Private Messages skiddyfisk

Yet another camera lacking RAW support :[ why, woot, why?

ianf


quality posts: 1 Private Messages ianf

FWIW: The camera's GPS feature does not work inside China due to PRC regulations around calculating/collecting location data. This probably won't affect many people here, but if you have a trip planned to the Great Wall or Shanghai and think this is the PERFECT camera for your trip because it will geo-tag your pictures: nope.

If this is an important feature for you, other camera manufacturers allow GPS tagging within China, but you are (technically) breaking the law if you do this.

marisano


quality posts: 2 Private Messages marisano
skiddyfisk wrote:Yet another camera lacking RAW support :[ why, woot, why?



Because it has 14.1 megapixels? (Which is actually too high to be useful on the tiny and limited density sensor thereon.)

dmiddend


quality posts: 0 Private Messages dmiddend

This is a great camera. I bought one on the 11th of last month for ten bucks more and I'm stilled thrilled :-) . If you are even thinking about taking the leap, just do it (swoosh) right now. You won't regret it. It has myriad features and capabilities packed into a small package. I wish I needed two.

dpuett


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JonSnow wrote:Seriously why does this question come up every single time? It's 16x optical PLUS 5x digital zoom. Not that difficult to understand.



Actually, not quite. I have the DMC-ZS3 and it has the same feature. If I turn on the "Intelligent Resolution" feature, the camera reduces the resolution a little bit and the increase in zoom is optical. Not digital. It is a useful feature. http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/zs10_tz20/lens.html#intelligent_zoom

skiddyfisk


quality posts: 0 Private Messages skiddyfisk
marisano wrote:Because it has 14.1 megapixels? (Which is actually too high to be useful on the tiny and limited density sensor thereon.)



I'm not sure what you think sheer MP has to do with the RAW format, but it doesn't.

genii69


quality posts: 8 Private Messages genii69

I bought this camera the last time woot had it also. I love the camera. I am constantly amazed at the things that I keep finding out that it does. By default the digital zoom is turned off. Even with it off the camera will go to 21x (intelligent zoom)as a posting before this one mentioned. When I first started using the camera I also thought that the 21x was the limit. Well after playing with a bunch of settings the other night, I found out that there is a setting for digital zoom. I know everyone is not crazy about digital zoom but once I turned it on I was able to go out to 84.1x. Wow! It is digital but you can sure see far away with that setting. Anyway, I normally run it at 16x or less in IA mode but I have done some interesting things with burst mode (10 pictures per second). Even when not using burst I find that the shutter speed is very quick. I took a photo of a helicopter in flight and in the picture the blades look as if they are standing still with no motion blur that I can detect at all.

The 1080i 60fps video is incredibly smooth. The stabilization works better than any I have seen before. I took a couple of videos where I was intentionally shaking the camera up and down (several inches) and it came out in the video as a mild rocking.

The camera works better in low light than I expected after reading some of the reviews. It's not perfect but I find it is very good in most cases. There is also a handheld night photo mode that is amazing. It takes several shots in a row and then compares them to figure out what is noise and what is real (I think that's how it works anyway) and it is really cool. I took a photo of my house at night with no flash and handheld and it came out looking like I had it on a tripod.

I took a few shots of the moon a couple of nights ago and they came out best using the sports setting. I am still experimenting with the settings but I got a couple of really neat shots.

Overall, I know that there are cameras that will take better photos such as DSLRs etc. but for a pocket camera to do the things this one does is amazing. I will link to a few of the photos and videos I have taken with this camera...

First, these 2 pictures were taken from the same exact location. The first is zoomed all the way out and the second one is zoomed in to 21x.

http://home.fuse.net/lazyriver1/Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-ZS10/P1000211.JPG

http://home.fuse.net/lazyriver1/Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-ZS10/P1000213.JPG

(Yes that big building is there in the first picture too)


Next, the helicopter with the stationary blades (no zoom, IA mode)...

http://home.fuse.net/lazyriver1/Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-ZS10/Helicopter.jpg

The next one was using burst mode. When looking at this fountain with the naked eye, the water appeared to totally surround the pipes that it comes out of but in burst mode I got several pictures with the water appearing to be in different places. I think the water looks like ice in this one...

http://home.fuse.net/lazyriver1/Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-ZS10/Fountain.JPG


Here is a squirrel that was in a tree about 50 feet from me in low light. It was actually getting dark and the tree was in the shadows and I did not use the flash. I would think this was taken in the middle of the day if I didn't know better...

http://home.fuse.net/lazyriver1/Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-ZS10/Squirrel.jpg


The moon over my neighborhood...

http://home.fuse.net/lazyriver1/Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-ZS10/Moon.jpg


Then the handheld night shot (no flash) of my house. I think this would have been even better if our streetlight wasn't out at the time...

http://home.fuse.net/lazyriver1/Panasonic%20Lumix%20DMC-ZS10/P1000207.JPG

(on this one I'm just amazed that it didn't look like one big blur. It would have if I did the same thing with any of our other pocket cameras that we own)


Now, a couple of short videos. Both at an amusement park and I was just shooting to get a feel for the camera. Be sure to click at the bottom right of the YouTube window to select the highest resolution. I uploaded these 1080i videos and YouTube converted them to 1080p. I am not sure if they maintain the 60 frames per second though as I read somewhere that they only do 30fps...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG47bWlA_OA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NtRJw8XNSA


There you go... I hope that helps anyone considering this camera to make the best decision for them. It suits me well for my needs.

(Now, I just hope all my links came out ok)

Happy Wooting!!

...

mikehager66


quality posts: 0 Private Messages mikehager66
quantamm wrote:What about the battery? Can I use a 3rd party battery? Or is this one locked down like many other Panasonics?



This camera will not accept 3rd party batteries. I have one and tried to downgrade the firmware like an older Panasonic I had but to no avail. Basically got stuck with two batteries the camera will not recognize

nambachang


quality posts: 0 Private Messages nambachang
JonSnow wrote:Okay then, what is the different between optical and digital zoom? And when does it use optical or digital zoom? Do you have control over which type of zoom you use?



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craigthom


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JonSnow wrote:Seriously why does this question come up every single time? It's 16x optical PLUS 5x digital zoom. Not that difficult to understand.



Adding 5x digital zoom to 16x optical zoom yields 80x total zoom.

soberbyker


quality posts: 1 Private Messages soberbyker

what is the largest size SD card it will accept?

enktwiss


quality posts: 1 Private Messages enktwiss
jimray wrote:I didn't see it in the spec's, how large of an SD card is supported? And I don't see a tripod receptacle in any of the pic's. It would be needed with that aamount of zoom.



Hopefully this is just some very dry sarcasm that I'm missing, but just in case... 20x magnification in and of itself does not require a tripod it's all relative to how much light is available.

zozozoz


quality posts: 0 Private Messages zozozoz

What's "Panorama Assist"? Does it allow for real panoramic shots?