mattlscc wrote:I wish I would of see this earlier... already bought 30 AA at lowes for $4.

30@$4.00 is cheaper than 60@11.00. And Alkaline > Heavy Duty. You made a wise choice.

Someguitarist wrote:or it can and in-fact does kill people occasionally.

Sidenote: Can you imagine that? Just walked around and *thunk* gone? Crazy...

It was proven on Mythbusters. A Bullet fired directly straight up tends to tumble on way down. While it could be very painful and crack a skull, would be unlikely to kill.

However, a bullet fired on a trajectory, does and will kill if it hits a human in the wrong place. Police have verified this very tale.

Perfect timing for the Christmas toys that will be unwrapped on the 24th and or 25th...
What a Merry Christmas it will be too!

sdc100 wrote:They wouldn't dare do that and call them "Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty." A 900mAh AA battery is Extra Short Life by AA standards. It's a typo.

That is the funniest thing I've EVER seen posted here. A manufacturer not daring to exaggerate or simply lie to sell more product!

madaradio wrote:I'm considering buying 180 just out of spite

I did.

I couldn't bring myself to read all 14 pages, so this may have been covered. As far as the ballistic discussion about 'falling' bullets, the point that was overlooked (in the posts I read) was the huge difference in a bullet fired vertically, and one fired at, say, a 45* angle.

What Hatcher found, and others have verified, is that a bullet fired straight up doesn't achieve a terminal velocity sufficient to cause fatalities when it comes back down.

A bullet fired at a 45* angle, however, can travel miles, and will still have a significant horizontal velocity. Such bullets are absolutely lethal, and explain the disparity between the 'falling bullets kill' and 'falling bullets are harmless' camps.

nitroglycerin wrote: I'm simply reciting what I've learned in my Chemistry textbook (I have a final tomorrow...wwaaaahhhh...)...Did undergraduate research on Galvanic Cells and corrosive mechanisms.

Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that sites like Woot attract intelligent, educated people. You're in a realm of geeks, nerds, scientists, free-thinkers, artists, and general smarty-pants. I'm going to assume with your chemistry background and username like C3N3H5O9 that you are young.
Chemistry class is great; I've not only attended many, I teach them. Your textbook tells you that freezing a compound inhibits oxidation, but that's incomplete. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten the class as to why if freezing prevents oxidation, steel shelving inside freezers always rusts.

ctwatts500 wrote:I couldn't bring myself to read all 14 pages, so this may have been covered.
What Hatcher found, and others have verified, is that a bullet fired straight up doesn't achieve a terminal velocity sufficient to cause fatalities when it comes back down.
A bullet fired at a 45* angle, however, can travel miles, and will still have a significant horizontal velocity. Such bullets are absolutely lethal, and explain the disparity between the 'falling bullets kill' and 'falling bullets are harmless' camps.

Yes, the subject has been beaten senseless:
http://www.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4755755&PageIndex=11&ReplyCount=533#post4756818
...and Hatcher was a hack writing his recollection of a flawed study he observed 45 years prior.

lexicon5 wrote:It was proven on Mythbusters...a bullet fired on a trajectory, does and will kill if it hits a human in the wrong place. Police have verified this very tale.

See the above link.

buffaloed wrote:I have unintentionally tested this by storing batteries in my garage. Over half of them leaked when used. Cooling makes materials contract, heating makes them expand. When you freeze batteries you damage the integrity of the packaging.

That's not a reliable test by any scientific standard. Cooling also does not necessarily shrink an object. To prove it, put a bottle of wine in the freezer. Water expands as is freezes, and as wine is 80-90% water, the freezing wine will push the cork out. Works like a charm on a broken cork, but might affect the flavor.
This may actually help your argument. Frozen batteries may develop cracks in the case seals should the electrolyte freeze, though I doubt it would solidify. A 30% solution of potassium hydroxide freezes around -85 degrees Fahrenheit (-65 degrees Celsius).

qstick777 wrote:Expires on 10/2014? So that pretty guarantees they have been sitting in a warehouse for at least 4 years?

sdc100 wrote:No, if these are truly Heavy Duty (Zinc Chloride)

Read this:
http://www.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4755755&PageIndex=12&ReplyCount=533#post4756905

I neglected to mention that I also confirmed that Fuji gives them a 7-year shelf life, so these might have been sitting in a warehouse for 5 years.

danwat1234 wrote:Use them everyday for my pocket camcorders that I use in my car as dash cams.

Are you listening, Woot buyers? Perhaps you can come up with an aluminum foil deal. There appears to be a shortage on anti-brain-scanner hats.

lowe's has a better deal: 30 for $4 w/ free ship to store... so to of those is 60 batteries for $8, where the woot (with shipping) is 60 batteries for $11.

Alkaline are the good type - or any type of REchargeable, of course.

Stay away from: heavy duty, long-lasting, super heavy duty, ultra super heavy duty, et al.

HTH

Hey folks, just a quick heads-up: only a couple hours left to share your AA and AAA battery opinions. At least until the now-inevitable launch of battery.woot. . .

I actually HAVE bought AA batteries from w00t before. Today, I bought both the AA and the AAA because there are SO many toys out there which need batteries!

Please, people! I'm such a kid...does no one remember how it felt to get a gift that needed batteries, but the old people who gave you the gift didn't read the box?

Plus, I only have one remote control for my whole house (oh, c'mon, it's w00t) but lots of people have remotes that need AAAs, or sometimes AAs.

BUY!

But what if you fire a battery in the air? Can that kill someone? What if it is an alkaline rather than a heavy duty? Someone here must know....

In for 1. These will power my personal trimmer for years. I cut my own hair so even if these only last 1 time in my neckline trimmer its still a good deal.

Two peanuts were walking down the street..... one was assaulted...

They found out it was the energizer bunny.... he was charged with battery!

What am i missing?

1 20-Pack Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries: AA

1 20-Pack Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries: AAA

which each cost $5.99
for a subtotal of $11.98
plus shipping + $5.00
for a total of $16.98

40 Battery's for $16.98???

So technically this is a battery of batteries

vegasedge wrote:What am i missing?

1 20-Pack Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries: AA

1 20-Pack Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries: AAA

which each cost $5.99
for a subtotal of $11.98
plus shipping + $5.00
for a total of $16.98

40 Battery's for $16.98???

They are 3 20 packs per woot (60 batteries), = 120 batteries for the above (14.15 cents each when you buy 2, 12.76 cents if you get 3)

lichme wrote:They are 3 20 packs per woot (60 batteries), = 120 batteries for the above (14.15 cents each when you buy 2, 12.76 cents if you get 3)

Says (1) 20pack
NOT
(3) 20 Packs.

That's the order receipt that says that.

It's a typo! you get 60...

batteries? more batteries? i don't need batteries .

how about that 13.37 razor mouse deal again? I promise i'll get one this time!

Second request:
Will this fire up my Sister-In-Laws bed side rabbit?
The one in her nightstand!
If so Trisha you can burn out one battery every 6.0833333333333333 days next year.

roadhunter wrote:Not only are you not using rechargeables, you advocate using more batteries rather than longer-lasting ones. You must be a Republican.

you're a fruit cake

vegasedge wrote:What am i missing?

1 20-Pack Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries: AA

1 20-Pack Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries: AAA

which each cost $5.99
for a subtotal of $11.98
plus shipping + $5.00
for a total of $16.98

40 Battery's for $16.98???

When I go to order, mine says...


You want two (I want 1) (I want 3)
Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries – 60 Pack

Size:
(AA) AAA

Size:
AA (AAA)

You want 6 20-Pack Fuji Extra Long Life Heavy-Duty Batteries(s).

3 will be AA.

3 will be AAA.


which each cost $5.99
for a subtotal of $11.98
plus shipping $5.00
for a total of $16.98

if everything looks good:
check everything out, and if it's all right, click the gold button below

Notice that it says that 3 will be AA and 3 will AAA, that's 6, 20 packs or 60 of each, just have to look closer, the text is in grey. When proceeding to the actual order screen it will display what you're seeing, I think it may just be the way the ordering system words it, as each item is considered 1, and the description of the actual item is a 20 pack, but you get 3. Really just a flub, but you will get the right amount.

tysonbrown22 wrote:I actually called you something else, but woot wont post it. A55HOLE

If it wasn't for aholes like him, there wouldn't be any little turds like you!

BAZINGA!

lexicon5 wrote:Perfect timing for the Christmas toys that will be unwrapped on the 24th and or 25th...
What a Merry Christmas it will be too!

Most toys specify to only use Alkaline batteries in them, which these are not. Being lower capacity than Alkalines also means they will be able to produce less amps, which means they may not even power some of those Christmas toys, or they'll work for a minute, the voltage will sag, and you'll think the batteries are dead (even though they're not, they just won't be able to handle the current draw of the toy.)

Sardinicus wrote:Hey folks, just a quick heads-up: only a couple hours left to share your AA and AAA battery opinions. At least until the now-inevitable launch of battery.woot. . .

Only a couple of hours? Would you stop talking about how long these batteries last!

How can you call it Woots fault for filling trash dumps THEY don't make the toys, electronics, or other products that require the batteries.

monkeysflyingthroughtheair wrote:This is one of the least responsible offerings Woot has ever tried to sell (and they have tried to sell a few).

Trash dumps are filled with all sorts of toxic crap leeching into the water table; rivers, lakes, and oceans are facing exceptionally high levels of pollution; air quality is nasty around much of the planet; wildlife is struggling; the list goes on.

Woot's solution: sell insane quantities of a non-renewable resource when an obvious, reusable, widely-available, cost-effective solution is abundant: rechargeable batteries.

Simply put: Woot, you need to go sit in time-out on another planet. THIS planet doesn't need businesses with values like yours.

I just lost some eco points, but bought two sets. Friend says they work good in TV remotes, but he doesn't watch TV.

I can't wait for the Green Friday Boob of Cleopatra!

Sweet... I changed my mind... gonna get these!

mikewbingham wrote:1)

2) I'm not sure. There are many variables, such as how many primary cells one rechargeable cell replaces, materials used to make the primary cell, and how you define "damage" as to environmental impact. I'm not even sure it would be a fair comparison to contrast the impact of the 8.5 grams of Nickel and 1 gram of Cobalt in a typical NiMH cell, versus the 0.125 grams of Nickel and 3.5 grams of Zinc in a typical Alkaline primary cell versus the 5 grams of Zinc and 3.5 grams of Manganese in a typical Carbon-Zinc cell.
The other factor that make me curious is the total cost of the life cycle of one Eneloop cell, versus that of a typical alkaline cell. How much energy is actually expended in recycling NiMH batteries? Given that the entire process is heavily subsidized by the US and Canadian governments, the costs of recycling batteries can not be assumed to be incorporated into the retail cost of new NiMH batteries.
Maybe it's like that other thing - ya know - that Thing That Can't Be Mentioned on a family site. That which is made more interesting with battery-powered toys: You pay for it one way or another.

This comment made me need my battery-powered toy. Hot.

" kimvette wrote:It's been mentioned before, but I'll say it:

"Heavy Duty" is marketing speak for "Carbon-Zinc" cells, a relic dating back to the original dry cells of the late nineteenth century (1800s).

For batteries, they are completely worthless


No, Heavy Duty batteries, if honestly labeled, are not Carbon Zinc batteries. They are actually Zinc Chloride, and have a significantly different discharge profile. Not only do Zinc Chloride (Heavy Duty) batteries last longer, but the output is also more consistent (aka the drop off curve is less steep). "


I was going to write that while I'm grateful for the lesson on the difference between carbon-zinc and zinc chloride batteries, the person who keeps posting that these aren't carbon-zinc batteries doesn't seem to understand that Chinese manufacturers have little regard for truth in advertising. Another poster had the good sense to contact Fuji and find that these are indeed carbon-zinc. Hyperbole in advertising seems to be a cultural characteristic that has been degraded by the current hyper-capitalistic environment there into outright lying. Thus they are perfectly willing to claim that the shortest-lived of all commercial battery types is "Long Life." Always keep that in mind - not just for Chinese goods, but for almost anything sold in the de-regulated 'Capitalist Paradise' our government has given us...

mikewbingham wrote:OK, more info:

I just got off the phone with Russ at FujiNovel Industries:
http://www.fujinovelbatteries.com/web/contact_us.php

He's a very friendly tech that seemed to not only be thoroughly knowledgeable about their products, but aware of this Woot sale as well. He confirmed that these batteries are Carbon-Zinc cells, not Zinc-Chloride.



At tempting as it is to roll my eyes and go all Sheldon Cooper on you, I'll try to be polite. It's not for your sake; I simply don't want my comment getting mod'ed.

Where do you live where only ONE person in TEN MILLION recycles their used batteries? I have no doubts that recycling efforts could be higher among all people, but ranting a ridiculous made-up "statistic" only destroys your credibility.
As far as the few of these batteries that wil end up in landfills, I say GOOD! Carbon-Zinc batteries make excellent fertilizer. During World War 2, the electrolyte from spent batteries was used as fertilizer in areas where soil nutrients were depleted of trace elements, especially manganese and zinc. These batteries are made of iron, carbon, zinc, manganese, and ammonium chloride; all of which are essential nutrients for plants. I'll grant you that a bucket of batteries dumped in a pond is likely to overdose that micro-environment, but not nearly so much as a few Eneloops would. Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries contain nickel, cobalt, and cerium salts (among other chemicals), and have a very corrosive potassium hydroxide electrolyte. Eneloops also contain elemental and chromium. Nickel, chromium, cobalt, and cerium compounds are extremely toxic. Just a few parts per million can render water and soil deadly to animals and plants.
Since you so strongly advocate recycling, answer this: What happens to rechargeable batteries after they get dropped into a recycling container? Don't guess, and don't bluff. I know the answer, and it ain't pretty, but it sure helps a lot of politicians and the battery industry (in North America, at least).

Mike, that was profoundly well written. Nice work.

These work great in a slingshot

nitroglycerin wrote:Chemical Principals by Zumdahl 6e. Did undergraduate research on Galvanic Cells and corrosive mechanisms.

I think you should test it yourself though. Use half of these batteries freeze stored and half not. Design your own experiment and find what is optimal and not let some company tell you what's best!

If you read Energizer's comment. you'd see that it said the said, "No, storage in a refrigerator or freezer is not required or recommended for batteries produced TODAY." Zumdahl was an undergraduate in 1964. I saw absolutely no research by Zumdahl on batteries in the last 20+ years, especially on this topic. I just skimmed through the 5th ed of the book, and it's simply generic information on the principles of a galvanic cell. I didn't see anything about the effects of condensation on the seals of batteries, which has changed throughout the decades. Nor did he take into account the packaging around the battery, which is generally cardboard. Paper absorbs water, prolonging the exposure to trapped moisture from condensation. In short, neither the textbook nor Zumdahl himself are particularly good sources on this specific point, and are no better than any good general college chemistry text.

tesla33 wrote:" kimvette wrote:It's been mentioned before, but I'll say it:

"Heavy Duty" is marketing speak for "Carbon-Zinc" cells, a relic dating back to the original dry cells of the late nineteenth century (1800s).

For batteries, they are completely worthless


No, Heavy Duty batteries, if honestly labeled, are not Carbon Zinc batteries. They are actually Zinc Chloride, and have a significantly different discharge profile. Not only do Zinc Chloride (Heavy Duty) batteries last longer, but the output is also more consistent (aka the drop off curve is less steep). "


I was going to write that while I'm grateful for the lesson on the difference between carbon-zinc and zinc chloride batteries, the person who keeps posting that these aren't carbon-zinc batteries doesn't seem to understand that Chinese manufacturers have little regard for truth in advertising. Another poster had the good sense to contact Fuji and find that these are indeed carbon-zinc. Hyperbole in advertising seems to be a cultural characteristic that has been degraded by the current hyper-capitalistic environment there into outright lying. Thus they are perfectly willing to claim that the shortest-lived of all commercial battery types is "Long Life." Always keep that in mind - not just for Chinese goods, but for almost anything sold in the de-regulated 'Capitalist Paradise' our government has given us...

Deregulated? What world are you living in, friend?

I know that stuff is boring, but consider browsing the Federal Register, the Internal Revenue Code, current OSHA and EPA regulations, and LexisNexis. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (referred to by some as "Obamacare") alone was 1,928 pages long.

Contrary to common unenlightened thought, we are OVER-REGULATED, not under-regulated.

The anemic economy is prima facie evidence of over-regulation.

mikewbingham wrote:

answer this: What happens to rechargeable batteries after they get dropped into a recycling container? Don't guess, and don't bluff. I know the answer, and it ain't pretty, but it sure helps a lot of politicians and the battery industry (in North America, at least).

So, what happens?

sls9643 wrote:This comment made me need my battery-powered toy. Hot.

Awww, that's sweet of you to say. It's too bad you're 1500 miles away and...ya know...married. :P

I choose to convince myself that there isn't the slightest bit of sarcasm in your comment and go about my Friday smitten by flattery. Thank you.

tmusson wrote:So, what happens?

Sorry, I missed your comment. I'll provide more detail later, but in summary: Any non-rechargeable batteries are sent to a landfill. The NiCD and NiMH and Lithium batteries are separated and processed through a grinder or hammermill, depending on which facility gets them. The metals are collected. Some of the metal salts can be recovered, but the electrolyte is dumped in a toxic-waste landfill because it contains a lot of lead, cadmium, nickel, cobalt, and cerium.

I'm in for two. What's to lose.