The more I know about this computer, the less I like it. Oh my, they solder the processor to the the board? This really is a netbook board stuffed in a case. lol

guitarin4jhere1 wrote:If it had a HDMI out it would be a nice computer to put in a cabinet for surfing the internet on the TV.

DVI and HDMI video signals are compatible with each other. You'd just need a cable with a DVI connector on one end and an HDMI connector on the other to connect this to a TV.

It's worth noting that these Fusion boards play pretty well with Linux, if anyone is into that kind of thing. I recently used one to build a basic web browsing machine for my grandparents. Linux Mint figured out all of the hardware right away and runs well enough for HD video playback and light gaming.

aaronshall wrote:Could this possibly be used in a old outdated VCR case to make a nonchalant theater system?


At least no one would want to steal it.

Yeah the components would make for a decent HTPC set-up, and I am sure there are tons of guides out there as people mod all kinds of things into HTPC cases like old game consoles.

Would probably want to get a slim DVD drive.

brennyn wrote:DVI and HDMI video signals are compatible with each other. You'd just need a cable with a DVI connector on one end and an HDMI connector on the other to connect this to a TV.

But If it had HDMI out it could transmit Sound over one cable.

iiwizrius wrote:The more I know about this computer, the less I like it. Oh my, they solder the processor to the the board? This really is a netbook board stuffed in a case. lol

Well that is not an unusual feature of an mini ITX motherboard, at least not for an ITX motherboard that is on the low end.

Pretty much...

guitarin4jhere1 wrote:If it had a HDMI out it would be a nice computer to put in a cabinet for surfing the internet on the TV.

Could always just buy an adapter like the one below

http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimited-ADP-3780-Female-Adapter/dp/B0018QTWH2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1335679430&sr=8-2

Or for a couple more bucks get a cable that is DVI on one end, and HDMI on the other..

http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimited-PCM-2296-06-HDMI-Cable/dp/B0007MWE1E/ref=pd_sim_e_4

Best of both worlds: power of a laptop combined with the portability of a desktop!

guitarin4jhere1 wrote:But If it had HDMI out it could transmit Sound over one cable.

Actually since this has an ATI card onboard (don't know off hand about the newer NVidia/Intel stuff) there is a good chance it would put out audio over DVI if you get a DVI to HDMI adapter.

As much as the consensus here is that it sucks...

...it's still cheap...

...and a computer...

...the only two components necessary for a sellout on Woot.

I call 11am Pacific time.

I'm not seeing any WIFI on this machine. Correct?

vbarrus wrote:I'm not seeing any WIFI on this machine. Correct?

Correct.

Like everyone else is saying, stay away from this, another $50 gets you a computer with a real processor in it. The processors in both of these rank not much more (if even as much) as you would find in a modern netbook. Very, very slow despite a almost decent graphics GPU.

The E-300 scores 595 on passmark, the 450 no much more. An intel Atom 330 (netbook processor) scores 631.

Ugh. Zacate in a full-sized desktop?

Well, I guess it has the advantage that you could use full-sized optical drives and 3.5" hard drives...

That's one of those real high end boat anchors, right?

jseureau wrote:That's one of those real high end boat anchors, right?

LOL This made me laugh.

jseureau wrote:That's one of those real high end boat anchors, right?

I'd say yes if it had anything inside it that might produce weight.

I think some are missing the point of this woot...it isn't meant for PC enthusiasts, it is meant for grandma to play euchre on and like things on Pinterest.

parabolic wrote:I think some are missing the point of this woot...it isn't meant for PC enthusiasts, it is meant for grandma to play euchre on and like things on Pinterest.

I agree with you to a point but because it has a external power supply I would say that this crap and a very light weight anchor. External power supplies go bad so often. They could have put a cheap 240 power supply in it and it would be good for grandma. Need something reliable for grandma right.

This isn't even a laptop APU, it's a netbook APU. The E-450 isn't a bad chip at all, and you can actually do some very light gaming on it, but only at netbook resolutions, and it's a total waste putting it into a box of this size.

I just built a computer for my friend. Case, power supply, AMD quad-core FX processor, motherboard, 8 gigs of RAM, DVD burner, and 1 TB 7200 RPM hard drive, for a grand total of $446. Only thing he didn't buy was a graphics card, because I had an older one that I let him have, but the motherboard had integrated graphics on it anyway, so he could have gone without. Heck, he could have gone cheaper on both the CPU and motherboard, and saved at least another $50. Bottom line is, for an extra hundred bucks, you can buy something WAY more powerful. And it's actually upgradeable.

parabolic wrote:I think some are missing the point of this woot...it isn't meant for PC enthusiasts, it is meant for grandma to play euchre on and like things on Pinterest.

Grandma's better off with a refurb laptop (try this) so she can Pinterest from her Craftmatic.

The CPU are meant for mobile use in other word's laptop's and yes you guessed it the AMD Radeon HD 6320 is and integrated card designed for laptop's this is meant to be a desktop low on power consumption.The bizarre part is there is no pcie slot's so the graphic's can not be upgraded the other bizarre part it is being sold at average price it is pretty small it is a mini tower and this is still weird atx or micro atx motherboard's usually give the option of adding low profile graphic card's but not this one

Worst deal ever. Like others said, it is a netbook in a desktop case.

Ack, 65 watt PSU? On a desktop??? That means NO add in cards... even a wireless card takes like 7 watts...

jamarbrandon wrote:The CPU are meant for mobile use in other word's laptop's and yes you guessed it the AMD Radeon HD 6320 is and integrated card designed for laptop's this is meant to be a desktop low on power consumption.The bizarre part is there is no pcie slot's so the graphic's can not be upgraded the other bizarre part it is being sold at average price it is pretty small it is a mini tower and this is still weird atx or micro atx motherboard's usually give the option of adding low profile graphic card's but not this one

Well the form factor type for this motherboard is an ITX. Low end ITX motherboards will NOT have a PCI-Express slot, somewhat rare for them to have any kind of PCI slot. It's also not unusual to see these types of motherboards utilize laptop type memory (SO-DIMMs).

Hell yeah, I'm rockin' an HD 6320... what about it, dawg? Can't handle the power, yo?

guitarin4jhere1 wrote:If it had a HDMI out it would be a nice computer to put in a cabinet for surfing the internet on the TV.

The mini booksize systems are nice for that. Most of them have hdmi out and wifi. Some can even be mounted on the back of the monitor to save space. For $100 less you can get a new Foxconn NTA350, and not have to deal with all the clutter.

http://www.amazon.com/Foxconn-NTA350-0H0W-B-A-NA-Hudson-Booksize-Barebone/dp/B00556F8BU/

I've seen a lot of strange things in my day, and this is one of them.
It boggles the mind, actually. Among other "unique" features, I've never see a "desktop" with a measly power brick instead of an actual internal power supply. Wow! (And a "LOL", just for good measure).
I'd seriously consider buying one of these, but I see no reference at all as to a warranty for the lifespan of the live gerbil inside that keeps the DVD-RW drive spinning round and round, so sadly, I'm going to pass. :-/

egowhip69 wrote:Ack, 65 watt PSU? On a desktop??? That means NO add in cards... even a wireless card takes like 7 watts...

Yeah, total deal killer. I hate it when I'm walking around the house with my desktop PC and the cat gets tangled up in the ethernet cable.

I would have been more impressed with a tiny case that could be put next to the TV without taking up much space. This deal is an illusion, it's designed to look like a full-sized, full powered computer, but it isn't. This is the future I'm afraid, style completely dominating substance for the ignorant masses.

This is a netbook in a desktop case....less portable, no battery but you get a DVD drive....

My think pad x120e is as good as this (better actually since its has 8 gb ram and a128gb ssd).

Obviously you are unaware of the Intel I-core CPUs with integrated GPU. Blows away any onboard graphics prior period.
It is odd when this could be a very small form factor as there are many ITX cases.
Why it exists? Because these and other large corporate computers are designed by accountants and not engineers! Max profit and min cost is the only equation used. I've been building them for 25 years now and my experience is you get what you pay for. Quality parts are only a few more bucks. Skip this.

You could use the space to hide a external HD, your stash, and use it for a hillbilly media center. Or keep your beef jerky in the extra space.

I was expecting this pc to at least have some expansion ports let alone an internal power supply. Laptop motherboard or not it should at least have express card or something.

Hope some big business see this and makes a killing.

You can connect to your tv via dvi and enjoy hd goodness with media center, no problem. As to recording hd television shows, yes and no. First you will need a tuner card for the pc so you can run your antennae or set top box into the computer. If you use an antenna you can watch and record in full hd. If you have satellite or cable it will be difficult to impossible to get get hd programming through the computer. You would need a special (and much more expensive) tuner and I believe a cable card as well. It's expensive and more trouble than its worth. I used to do this and using an antenna and media center I was able to watch and record beautiful hd television (network channels only, obviously). you can record and watch cable/satellite in standard def without trouble but who wants to do that?

So not a good gaming tower to hook up to the big screen in the man-cave???

edmclaugh76 wrote:You can connect to your tv via dvi and enjoy hd goodness with media center, no problem. As to recording hd television shows, yes and no. First you will need a tuner card for the pc so you can run your antennae or set top box into the computer. If you use an antenna you can watch and record in full hd. If you have satellite or cable it will be difficult to impossible to get get hd programming through the computer. You would need a special (and much more expensive) tuner and I believe a cable card as well. It's expensive and more trouble than its worth. I used to do this and using an antenna and media center I was able to watch and record beautiful hd television (network channels only, obviously). you can record and watch cable/satellite in standard def without trouble but who wants to do that?

That's some good info, but not for this computer. There's no place to plug in an actual tuner card here. There are USB tuners you could use tho.

WordStar in the hiz-ouse! :P

The case is big enough for the hamster wheel to power this.

I know several people have alluded to the "small form factor", and yes, it is a mini-itx based motherboard with an external power brick.
I just had one of these in my shop, and the external power was the first What Tiny Flowers moment with this thing. Then I opened it up and saw ALL this room. They could have made the case 1/4 the size and still had room.
I think, however, this is HP convincing the gullible that a mini PC is a full fledged desktop.

And it ain't.

wasatchcars wrote:I have never seen that on a desktop computer.
I think I will pass on this one.

Mac mini does it as did a small iMac that looked like a lamp.