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JVC Everio HM50 HD Camcorder w/40x

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wootalyzer


quality posts: 1 Private Messages wootalyzer

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JVC Everio HM50 HD Camcorder w/40x
$149.99 + $5 Standard OR $9 Two-Day OR $12 One-Day Shipping
Condition: New

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bmrbill


quality posts: 94 Private Messages bmrbill

Here are some retrevo reviews.

gojomoso


quality posts: 2 Private Messages gojomoso

decent price, its at least cheaper than any on amazon
http://www.amazon.com/8GB-Flash-Memory-Camera-Black/dp/B004LB5AJK/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1339650653&sr=1-1&keywords=JVC+Everio+HM50

CowboyDann


quality posts: 701 Private Messages CowboyDann

Here are some video reviews and tests.



HEre is an outdoor quality test. make sure you change the quality to HD so you can see how it looks.

Midlight Video Test complete with heavy breathing and toy guns.


A semi-professional unboxing

and A Short Video taken in a car


Edit Edit: Just realized today's my 1 year wootiversary. Just wanted to share this and celebrate on woot.

bjave


quality posts: 2 Private Messages bjave

Anyone know if I can use this as a webcam to live stream? Looking for something with optical zoom live stream 720p thanks in advance!

gjpjmp


quality posts: 2 Private Messages gjpjmp

The batteries on these are not too good, about an hour of on-time is all you get. I decided to use a Motorolla car charger (got at thrift store for a dollar) and the correct end for this camera (look around, you will find some on other various chargers) and a small 12v dc battery from an APC in a backpack. Run the cord out, plug into camera and you have a huge extended battery. Some simple soldering is all you need to make it work. You can try other car chargers, but most do not have the amperage requirement. 700ma minimum with 850 and above preferred. This idea worked great for me and only cost a few dollars (any 12v battery will work, even small ones, mine is a 5Ah) instead of the 70 or so it is for a JVC one and it will last so much longer, and I can also charge the camera in a car if I forget to do it somewhere else.

The motorolla car charger will look kind of like a cobra, the end on it is not important as it will be cut off. They use a linear voltage regulator if I am correct as they can take a wide variety of inputs and give out a constant output..

Just my .02 from the JVC GZ-HM30 bought in a previous woot-off. It seems the only advantage here is 8gb internal. Not worth the 50 bucks more to me, but great camera for the money none the less!

vipermjb


quality posts: 38 Private Messages vipermjb

Did something go terribly wrong? This is the 7th comment and it's been an hour. Did the Zombies, Russians, or Zombie Russians finally take over?

bpr2


quality posts: 159 Private Messages bpr2

This camera looks great; however, the short battery life reports are a little daunting.

that was fun while it lasted!

cappo


quality posts: 16 Private Messages cappo
gjpjmp wrote:and a small 12v dc battery from an APC in a backpack.



That's neat, but... Armored Personnel Carriers are hard to come by around here. Is there some other military vehicle you could steal a suitable battery from?

butchworley


quality posts: 0 Private Messages butchworley
vipermjb wrote:Did something go terribly wrong? This is the 7th comment and it's been an hour. Did the Zombies, Russians, or Zombie Russians finally take over?



Yes they have. I am in VEGAS and all I see are Russians and zombies.

rkapur


quality posts: 0 Private Messages rkapur

Just bought one with the next day delivery.....i really really need this by friday....as we are leaving on a trip on Saturday night....

Hope woot can help make it on time!!

Thanks Woot

lunarparcel


quality posts: 8 Private Messages lunarparcel

I bought the HM30, an earlier version of this last year, and in comparing the specs between the two models, they appear to be pretty much identical save for the 8GB of internal memory on this new model.

That being the case, I suspect that the performance of the sensor, lens, etc. are probably going to be equal between the two, and if so, I can re-iterate some thoughts I had regarding the earlier one that I suspect will apply equally to this one:

In an attempt to do multi-camera product review videos on a budget, I wanted an extra camcorder to handle a close-up angle of the product table, but I couldn't afford to spend much on it. The zoom lens of the HM30 camcorder sounded very appealing, and it has worked out perfectly to suit my needs. (Note: it seems that this HM50 boasts the same lens specifications.)

You can see an example of its use in this video here -

http://youtu.be/0puBcNWAH7A

it is the one used for the front facing close up shots like the ones found at the :53 second mark, the 1:46 mark, etc. Keep in mind that this was a green-screen composite, and even with such a cheap camcorder, I was able to achieve enough dynamic range to pull a decent key.

You can also see it in the opening introduction shot of this video:

http://youtu.be/hth6t24-Ihc

and it did a decent job for what I needed, but that one may not be the best representation because it was down-rezzed for post before uploading.

But there are a couple of caveats to be mindful of with this model.

1.) Solid imaging balance is typically achieved as a collaboration of the lens system and the sensor. The lens in this model is incredible, especially for the price. But the sensor is pretty lousy, so it may not produce great results in some scenarios, including low-light conditions, etc. I would equate this sensor to be roughly equivalent to a really good quality webcam, but as it is a low-priced budget camcorder, I think the lousy quality of the sensor is a heavy factor for it being so low priced. I get good results from it because I use it in well lit controlled shooting environments.

2.) The interface is a bit klunky. I use complex camcorders for my professional work, but I also have several cheap pocket camcorders for playing around with, such as models by Panasonic, Kodak, and Flip. I see these budget models as being intended largely for a technophobic or convenience crowd that just wants a quick and simple approach to catching a shot. Just a couple of buttons and a simple interface is beneficial here, but this Everio model is not as simple and comfortable to use as other devices in its class. You can figure it out quickly enough, but the interface just doesn't seem very intuitive.

3.) Although the description says the footage can be uprezzed to 1080p, it actually shoots in 720p, which is perfectly fine for my needs, and probably most other folks too, especially since you're shopping for a camcorder in this price range. If you're shopping for a 1080p device with stunning crystal clear optics, you're going to spend a lot more than what this Everio is going for.

4.) The codec is AVCHD Lite. This is a newer formulation of consumer level HD codecs, and while I won't get into the geeky specs about it, I'll just say that it can be a pain to work with in some cases. Your editing application of choice may need to be updated to handle this codec as it is not compatible with all applications and platforms. Several Windows-based apps may handle it fine, (and it comes with a Windows based application...for what it's worth) but Mac users may need to jump through a few hoops to successfully import this footage. (It can be done, I do it regularly). In some cases, where importing from the SD card through a card reader doesn't work (and I'm not going to go into workarounds here), you might find success importing via USB directly from the camcorder. (Don't ask - it's complicated.) And I'm not sure about it's compatibility with tablet-based video editing apps.

5. The battery life for this thing is unquestionably the worst I've ever seen. Stock up on those batteries because you're gonna need 'em if you plan to be out and about for a bit of shooting.

That all being said, If you can work with the AVCHD Lite codec, I think this thing is a steal at this price. The form factor is light and comfortable enough, I like having the built-in lens cover. (very handy), HDMI and component output options are cool, and in my opinion, a decent 40x zoom lens at this price point is pretty much incomparable.

If I didn't already have the HM30 doing what I needed so well, I'd probably jump at this one right way despite it being $50 more for the internal storage - I hope that info is helpful for your decision making.

yummypotato


quality posts: 0 Private Messages yummypotato

How long is the battery life on this?

lunarparcel


quality posts: 8 Private Messages lunarparcel
yummypotato wrote:How long is the battery life on this?



On the earlier model HM30, I get roughly one hour, tops, and expect this would be about the same.

CowboyDann


quality posts: 701 Private Messages CowboyDann

Ugh, woot- what is it with your products being a pain in the butt to find the product manuals on tonight? The only way to view these is to enter a code to prove you're not a robot and download the file to your hard drive (after 2 or 3 attempts)
Here is the manual for this camera
En Espanol and English.

troyhager


quality posts: 1 Private Messages troyhager

lunaparcel...

What are the hoops to getting the files to Mac and usable on mac OS etc?

You said you do it all the time etc

Can you spell that out? what software?

Whats the end format on Mac - MOV file?

Trex

ndevries1981


quality posts: 1 Private Messages ndevries1981

I actually have the gz-hm690u model (most of the same specs but with 64 gig of internal space) and am very pleased with the camera so far. The quality is very good and the camera does come with it's own uploading and editing software which is very easy to use (on my PC, don't know about a Mac). I will say that the overall battery life after a full charge is ~45-55 minutes so I splurged and bought the bn-vg-138u battery through the store.jvc.com site. That battery lasts ~4 hours. However, it is sold out on the site and the closest comparable price is at bhphotovideo.com

I give it 4.5/5.

radi0j0hn


quality posts: 78 Private Messages radi0j0hn
gjpjmp wrote:The batteries on these are not too good, about an hour of on-time is all you get. I decided to use a Motorolla car charger (got at thrift store for a dollar) and the correct end for this camera (look around, you will find some on other various chargers) and a small 12v dc battery from an APC in a backpack. Run the cord out, plug into camera and you have a huge extended battery. Some simple soldering is all you need to make it work. You can try other car chargers, but most do not have the amperage requirement. 700ma minimum with 850 and above preferred. This idea worked great for me and only cost a few dollars (any 12v battery will work, even small ones, mine is a 5Ah) instead of the 70 or so it is for a JVC one and it will last so much longer, and I can also charge the camera in a car if I forget to do it somewhere else.

The motorolla car charger will look kind of like a cobra, the end on it is not important as it will be cut off. They use a linear voltage regulator if I am correct as they can take a wide variety of inputs and give out a constant output..

Just my .02 from the JVC GZ-HM30 bought in a previous woot-off. It seems the only advantage here is 8gb internal. Not worth the 50 bucks more to me, but great camera for the money none the less!



I once zapped a $1,200 camera by rigging a similar thing...just a warning to those who think that hooking up the power is as simple as powering an old cassette recorder. Sometimes (for example) 6V DC with the correct polarity isn't enough information.

acpress.com Not cute, but useful.

exellentt


quality posts: 0 Private Messages exellentt

I am not a gadget guru. My friend tells me that the video from this is equal to much more expensive cameras. That being said-it is a royal pain to download onto my pc.

ghengis


quality posts: 5 Private Messages ghengis
bjave wrote:Anyone know if I can use this as a webcam to live stream? Looking for something with optical zoom live stream 720p thanks in advance!



Well not really. It has a plug that gives you composite out at 720xwhatever, and I guess you could add a video capture dongle to that, but that is not what you seem to want. If you find a decent webcam with a zoom, let me know too. I'm looking for that as well.

ghengis


quality posts: 5 Private Messages ghengis
troyhager wrote:lunaparcel...

What are the hoops to getting the files to Mac and usable on mac OS etc?

You said you do it all the time etc

Can you spell that out? what software?

Whats the end format on Mac - MOV file?



You can convert it to your mac using the opensoruce package Mencoder, which to me means you can probably also use FFmpeg for mac too. It is slow, but it works fine.


ghengis


quality posts: 5 Private Messages ghengis

My only 2 cents. The mic is terrible. It is fine for family video, but not good for anything that you don't want background noise in. There is no way to plug in an external mic. that is unless you take the lens cover mount off, remove the mic and wire in a 1/8" photo jack. It's annoying, but possible.

that being said, the video is great, especially for the price.

pixelpadre


quality posts: 0 Private Messages pixelpadre

Like most of the camcorders today there is no infrared for night filming.

rocque


quality posts: 0 Private Messages rocque

I had one of these only older that I purchased from Home Shopping Network years ago. It worked great and the battery lasted a long time. It is disappointing to read the reviews since I am looking for a replacement. My house was broken into and they got my cameras. Maybe WooT will have an affordable camera with a battery that is better than the battery that Betty bought.

Narg


quality posts: 6 Private Messages Narg

Got one of these a while back on Woot. Does take great video, which doesn't seem to be a big thing any more with the availability of electronics these days so that's not really a plus. But the operation of the camera is clunky, the software is extremely poor and battery life stinks.

Two thumbs down. Sorry.

eleaaz


quality posts: 0 Private Messages eleaaz

Can anyone tell me more about the Windows CD included and what functions it offers?

And how's the low light video quality?

viciousspike


quality posts: 2 Private Messages viciousspike

I've noticed some of you have disparaging comments for this product. Do you have a better suggestion at or around this price?
If so, please provide a link.

steeevin


quality posts: 1 Private Messages steeevin

Great review and great information, lunarparcel.

Thank you very much for this.

madfire09


quality posts: 3 Private Messages madfire09
steeevin wrote:Great review and great information, lunarparcel.

Thank you very much for this.



Thanks for giving him acknowledgement steevo

Ringo4422


quality posts: 19 Private Messages Ringo4422
troyhager wrote:lunaparcel...

What are the hoops to getting the files to Mac and usable on mac OS etc?

You said you do it all the time etc

Can you spell that out? what software?

Whats the end format on Mac - MOV file?



It may be easier and less expensive to just load the video files on to some old Win XP PC and convert the files to something a Mac can accept.

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milacqua48


quality posts: 2 Private Messages milacqua48

In for one. All I need is a small video recorder to document oil changes and basic maintenance items on three cars and a tractor for warranty purposes. I could take still pictures but having a record of the actual work from start to finish is my best insurance should something go wrong, especially since I know what I am doing with the procedures. I think setting this thing up on a tripod and pointing at the car or tractor I'm working on will not tax it too much. I really don't want to spend more than this considering my main purpose, even if I might take it on vacations once in a while.

madfire09


quality posts: 3 Private Messages madfire09

Woot had this item on i thought for cheaper a few weeks ago. Can anybody explain why the price went up?!

chendog


quality posts: 0 Private Messages chendog

I own an older model. The camera isn't the problem. The format of the video; mod is an obscure format that most editing software won't work with. The editing/rendering software that is included is ridiculously clumsy and frustrating. Want something easy to work with? Try a different camera.

digitalcatholic


quality posts: 1 Private Messages digitalcatholic

I'm wondering about streaming live video as well. Will this camera stream video in "camera" mode over HDMI or can the HDMI only be used for playback?

dirkkkk


quality posts: 0 Private Messages dirkkkk

No mic jack. Pass.

GarrettDavis


quality posts: 0 Private Messages GarrettDavis

I'm also interested in using this cam, or something like it, for real-time video capture. I need, in essence, a webcam with a zoom lens, fast shutter speed, and decent resolution: 720p is fine but the 'p' (progressive scan) is mandatory. The manual for this thing seems to indicate that we can get 720p out of the 'component video cable' for playback, which would be great - if it works while recording as well. Have any of you tried this, or do any of you have any recommendations for something different? Thanks in advance.

lunarparcel


quality posts: 8 Private Messages lunarparcel
troyhager wrote:lunaparcel...

What are the hoops to getting the files to Mac and usable on mac OS etc?

You said you do it all the time etc

Can you spell that out? what software?

Whats the end format on Mac - MOV file?




So here's some relevant info about the codec structure this unit uses, and importing the contents into a Mac. (Some info also may be relevant to a PC, but as there is a wider range of Windows based applications, some of which may natively be able to import from this file structure, I cannot cover them with my lack of specific experience with Windows NLEs.)

The format is a variation of AVCHD commonly known as AVCHD Lite and is written to the memory card in a convoluted series of nested folders - a construct that is necessary for some applications to properly identify and initiate the import process. Fairly unintuiviely, the actual video files are located on the SD card in Private>AVCHD>BDMV>STREAM. They will be found there, listed as .MTS files. (Note: this file path is in reference to using the SD card on the earlier HM30. As the HM50 also includes 8GB of onboard storage, I can't say for sure if this file structure is also laid out the same in that instance.)

This .MTS file may be compatible 'as is' with some post production software, but in many cases, requires transcoding before being imported to an editing application. In some cases, when importing is initiated directly from the camcorder via USB, this transcoding happens automatically as part of the import process.

As is typical with many camcorders, you have 2 options for importing: 1.) Directly from the camcorder via USB, or 2.) dragging it onto your system or NLE directly from the SD card via a card reader.

Importing via USB is the recommended procedure for importing contents form this type of codec structure. This is because some of the requisite file wrapper info and associated meta data is not directly written into the content file, but rather resides on the camcorder itself, and is intended to communicate with your NLE (Non Linear Editor) to negotiate file identification, transcoding, and importing. You can do this with the NLE on your Mac, but you are required to have the latest version of the NLE, and recommended to have the latest build as well. I have done so numerous times successfully using the latest version of iMovie and the latest version of Adobe Premiere Elements - although in most cases, I have found that the first attempt fails to be recognized, but it works on the second attempt. I have a previous version of Final Cut Pro which will not recognize this file structure, but I am quite certain that you can use Final Cut Pro X and the latest version of Adobe Premiere Pro to the same end as noted above with iMovie and Premiere Elements.

It is important to note that unlike most other camcorders, the handshake between the unit and your NLE must be negotiated on both ends. When connecting via USB and setting up your NLE for import, you must also use the onboard menu system of the camcorder to initiate an upload. When the connection is sensed by the camcorder, you must select from the on-screen options to "Connect to PC" and then "Upload". One of the biggest drawbacks of this approach is that the camcorder must be turned on to allow transfer of contents. Since the disparagingly short life of the battery may be a hindrance to efficiency in this case, be so advised to ensure your battery is sufficiently charged, or be sure to plug the camera to AC charger for the duration. (The camera bypasses the battery if operated when plugged into AC power and will work fine.)

The second option is to import the .MTS file directly from the SD card using a card reader. As my experience pertains to the earlier HM30, which writes to the card, I am not certain how it plays out on the HM50, which hosts 8GB of onboard storage. While the HM50 also hosts a card slot, I don't know if there are options to designate where the files are written to, or if it only defaults to filling up the onboard storage first before writing to the added card. Perhaps someone else can chime in on this factor.

In any case, making use of this .MTS file on the Mac requires some extra effort. The file is not natively compatible with the Quicktime engine or Mac-based NLEs. You will need to open the .MTS file using a compatible transcoding application that can apply a compatible content wrapper and transcode the file. There are a few free open-source transcoders out there that have become reputable mainstays for a number of codec structures, but with .MTS may be a crapshoot. I've tried a couple, but the lack of intuitive use and persistence of build issues can be a daunting for some users. A reliable for-pay option is an application called Voltaic HD, which I have found to work perfectly when faced with these types of content files. (I am occasionally given client content to work with on memory cards, without access to the device on which it was shot.) It was pretty costly when I first bought it, but is now being sold in the Mac App Store at a significantly reduced price.

So I would suggest your options would be to either import directly from the camcorder if your NLE is compatible with the unit for direct USB import, or buy Voltiac if you want to import from the memory card or wish to use the contents in a version of your NLE that is not directly compatible with the codec structure.

Hope this helps.

lunarparcel


quality posts: 8 Private Messages lunarparcel
steeevin wrote:Great review and great information, lunarparcel.

Thank you very much for this.



You're welcome. And thank you for your acknowledgement. It is appreciated.

harinair


quality posts: 1 Private Messages harinair

I had a very similar JVC camera brought from Costco... I believe it is exactly the same thing. I gave $270 for that 3 months back. The product number does not match since the manufacturers make a different product code for Costco (since it includes free stuff like camera cover). But I think it was essentially the same thing.

I returned it this week since I was disappointed by the battery life. 1 and a half hour tops! I took this camera for my daughters project - she did a video tour of a mission. Half way down the recording the camera went dead and I had to take the rest of the video in my iPhone! The zoom and the picture quality is awesome. However it is a little slow to auto focus to the area we point to. With this sucky battery life it is near useless and hence I recommend you stay away from this.