joecooool wrote:Some day far in the future one of these speaker manufacturers will realize that probably 3/4ths of iPhone users have phone cases.

Imagine how many thousands more of these we could have sold if we simply would have had a dongle instead of the hard connection.

But alas...

You are looking for this

(it's not necessarily cheap but solves the problem)

pjfavia wrote:People realize that as soon as Apple switches over to a different connector, there will be a 3rd party adapter to the old connector coming out the next day, right? It's going to be impossible to obsolete the entire 3rd party market because millions of people still have older generations of iDevices.

Think again... The newest adapter is supposed to be designed to eliminate any ability to connect to it unless you are a licensed Apple accessory maker, do you think that Apple will be allowing someone to make a $2 adapter to allow people to use old accessories (many of which were not officially licensed products)? I'm betting the whole reason for the switch is to get a tighter grip on the accessory market and they will be very slow to ever over a cheap adapter... more money to be made in forcing people to buy a complete new accessory than simply adapt an old one.

The soviet style, my way or no way, Apple is making a return.

Expect more proprietary connections on other apple items to follow.

And yes airplay negates part of that, but that doesn't charge your Iphone when you use airplay it just sucks the juice.

lburman wrote:There's a rumor that apple is shrinking the iphone docking port. So all old style peripherals like will become useless for the next generation. Buyer beware.

Granted it will still work with the other connectors. Just not the 'dock'

I heard this too - holding out until i know for sure

vkcraft wrote:I heard this too - holding out until i know for sure

How about just holding on to your current iPhone and not buying the Apple hype? Much cheaper in the long run (says the guy with a Motorola Razr V3). ;-)

thomas998 wrote:Think again... The newest adapter is supposed to be designed to eliminate any ability to connect to it unless you are a licensed Apple accessory maker, do you think that Apple will be allowing someone to make a $2 adapter to allow people to use old accessories (many of which were not officially licensed products)? I'm betting the whole reason for the switch is to get a tighter grip on the accessory market and they will be very slow to ever over a cheap adapter... more money to be made in forcing people to buy a complete new accessory than simply adapt an old one.

The soviet style, my way or no way, Apple is making a return.

Expect more proprietary connections on other apple items to follow.

And yes airplay negates part of that, but that doesn't charge your Iphone when you use airplay it just sucks the juice.

What you don't realize is that people will never upgrade knowing that all their 3rd party accessories will be junked. So Apple doesn't have a choice; they will need to offer an adapter or let a 3rd party make one, or their sales are going to plummet. You can't make the millions of current iPod owners upgrade as soon as the next gen comes out.

thomas998 wrote:Think again... The newest adapter is supposed to be designed to eliminate any ability to connect to it unless you are a licensed Apple accessory maker, do you think that Apple will be allowing someone to make a $2 adapter to allow people to use old accessories (many of which were not officially licensed products)? I'm betting the whole reason for the switch is to get a tighter grip on the accessory market and they will be very slow to ever over a cheap adapter... more money to be made in forcing people to buy a complete new accessory than simply adapt an old one.

The soviet style, my way or no way, Apple is making a return.

Expect more proprietary connections on other apple items to follow.

And yes airplay negates part of that, but that doesn't charge your Iphone when you use airplay it just sucks the juice.

Are you saying there will be an adapter but it won't be able to be copied? If no adapter, they'd be cutting their throat and the throats of their official vendors. If there is one, how could it not be copied?

ThunderThighs wrote:Word from the buyer is that the 4S is compatible.

Thanks for this clarification (as well as the one about the battery).

joecooool wrote:Some day far in the future one of these speaker manufacturers will realize that probably 3/4ths of iPhone users have phone cases.

Imagine how many thousands more of these we could have sold if we simply would have had a dongle instead of the hard connection.

But alas...

Last night, I read several reviews of this that noted specifically that one of the best things about the dock connector was that it held iphones/ipads in cases without needing to remove the case.

lburman wrote:There's a rumor that apple is shrinking the iphone docking port. So all old style peripherals like will become useless for the next generation. Buyer beware.

Granted it will still work with the other connectors. Just not the 'dock'

*sigh* That's not going to happen. But thanks for reminding me how stupid rumors like that spread through posts like yours :p

schrody wrote:I'll wait for the Android version, thankyouverymuch.

Please, Woot - roll out the speakers that DON'T have an Apple dock that I'll never use!

Amen. F your ipods. Where's the stuff for us 50 million android users out there?

snowsurflax wrote:Amen. F your ipods. Where's the stuff for us 50 million android users out there?

LOL - cute little package...http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20110799-251/dockboss-plug-android-phones-into-iphone-docks/

snowsurflax wrote:Amen. F your ipods. Where's the stuff for us 50 million android users out there?

Ones google makes something like AirPlay. Don't tell me they allready have DLNA, because, it's not even close to what AirPlay is capable of.

oh my only 7 watts...for a hundred bucks..NO Thanks

ThunderThighs wrote:Someone at HQ grabbed an iPad to test this. He reports:

You can have the arm in the landscape position and put the iPad clip on - then dock it. You can’t rotate it with the iPad on the dock

He also said to be sure to use the clip - if you try to use the iPad in landscape w/o the clip you will damage your iPad or the connector.

Hope that helps.

silly me, i thought the manufacturer would know what they were talking about.

schrody wrote:I'll wait for the Android version, thankyouverymuch.

Please, Woot - roll out the speakers that DON'T have an Apple dock that I'll never use!

You mean like the multiple woot!plus deals with good quality speakers that all had 3.5mm connectors? Not sure what else you want. I agree, Android ftw... but the whole advantage is you can use pretty much any speakers you want.

pjfavia wrote:What you don't realize is that people will never upgrade knowing that all their 3rd party accessories will be junked. So Apple doesn't have a choice; they will need to offer an adapter or let a 3rd party make one, or their sales are going to plummet. You can't make the millions of current iPod owners upgrade as soon as the next gen comes out.

Dont sell the apple fan base short, they will upgrade in droves whether their accessories are compatible or not. there will be no adapter, 3rd party vendors will continue to make accessories for both generations.

goetschj wrote:Dont sell the apple fan base short, they will upgrade in droves whether their accessories are compatible or not. there will be no adapter, 3rd party vendors will continue to make accessories for both generations.

And you are totally overestimating the size of the Apple fan base. The freaks who wait in lines outside the Apple stores to buy gen+1 on day 1 are a very small fraction of the total population of iPod users.

gak0090 wrote:I think this is a more practical dock:Altec Lansing inMotion IMT620, its portable and has a built in tuner, rechargeable battery built in tuner and it's cheaper. It's not going to give you the sound output of the JBL- but then again it is portable and only $60

http://bensoutlet.com/products/imt-620

FYI - the "L" in JBL is Lansing...as in Altec Lansing. He left Altec Lansing in 1945 to form JBL (...as in James Bollough Lansing).

gak0090 wrote:I think this is a more practical dock:Altec Lansing inMotion IMT620, its portable and has a built in tuner, rechargeable battery built in tuner and it's cheaper. It's not going to give you the sound output of the JBL- but then again it is portable and only $60

http://bensoutlet.com/products/imt-620

But does it have a built in tuner?

This thing looks like a modern art shark eating an iPod.

pjfavia wrote:And you are totally overestimating the size of the Apple fan base. The freaks who wait in lines outside the Apple stores to buy gen+1 on day 1 are a very small fraction of the total population of iPod users.

Well, there is no competition for an ipod, and apple sells 300 ipads for every android tablet sold and iphones are gaining market share as I type, lots of "freaks" buying new apple tech, but whatever, you are probably right. you seem really smart.

goetschj wrote:Well, there is no competition for an ipod, and apple sells 300 ipads for every android tablet sold and iphones are gaining market share as I type, lots of "freaks" buying new apple tech, but whatever, you are probably right. you seem really smart.

As far as market share goes, you could be right. But the point I think folks are trying to make is there are folks that adopt new tech (even when it obsoletes their toys), but that's normally over time and no adapter or an expensive one might slow that adoption. But the geeks that go on line at 2:00AM to get the latest iPhone because it's 2mm thinner don't care about the other toys and they are not a large percentage of users. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't remember throngs of folks lining up for iPad 2 or whatever constitutes the latest iPod touch. It's not really the iPod/iPad that the loyalists go after, the "line waiters", "I gots to have it" folks are the iPhone "fans". Cause that's what gets shown off every time they pull out the phone.

Anyway, still debating whether to get this, or a regular airplay device (Apple or receiver) or just stick with the squeezebox radio.

llandar wrote:I've heard this as well.

As always, Apple = proprietary. Nothing else fits or will work with it.

mikeshilinski wrote:*sigh* That's not going to happen. But thanks for reminding me how stupid rumors like that spread through posts like yours :p

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27632-apple-locks-down-its-phone-with-new-connector

sorry late to the conversation....will this work with the IPad3?

goetschj wrote:http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27632-apple-locks-down-its-phone-with-new-connector

LOL - good article...

"But once again it is a tradeoff for iPhone owners who once again are shafted by Apple's control freakish behavior. "

Received mine about 20 minutes ago (gotta love when it came from the Amazon fulfillment center about 90 minutes away).

Things were rattling about in the box, but nothing seems scratched or damaged upon a cursory inspection. I'm at work, so can't exactly perform a rigorous "unboxing" right now, but will do so later.

I do note that there's not a remote control as shown in the pictures (and the battery of which caused a little confusion in the comments section). This is something I hope can be remedied, especially for an item listed as "new".

[edit] I can confirm, however, that an iPhone 4S inside one of the iFrogz Luxe Original will fit just fine in the dock. [/edit]

Okay, took some personal time and unboxed everything.

The remote WAS in the box, but it was what I heard rattling around. It was bouncing around the inside of the box.

Plugged in the unit and powered it up. The WiFi button is flashing because it isn't connected to the network here at the office.

I placed my iPhone 4S (in the fore-mentioned case) into the dock, and it fit. I was immediately prompted that "This accessory requires an app that is not installed. Would you like to install it now from teh App Store?". I hit yes, and was taken to the app store's page for the JBL app. Reviews for the app are pretty scathing (The alarm clock function overrides the iOS functions but still doesn't work because the speaker system goes to sleep), but I know I can always delete it if needed.

The App seems to duplicate MOST of the iTunes player functionality of the phone, but the interface isn't as usable (IMO). The App does, however, have step-by-step instructions on how to connect the unit to your WiFi network to get AirPlay to work! And full-page fancy ads with Maroon 5! *cough*

The device, and this is puzzling to me, doesn't seem to use the "line-out" audio connection in the dock connector. On other devices I have, when I dock the iPhone or iPod, the volume slider vanishes in the music player view, and I then use the volume controls on the device. This dock, however, doesn't do that. The volume controls on this seem directly tied to the iPhone/iPod's. When you adjust volume with remote/on-board controls/on-screen, it adjusts it in all places. Dunno if this is an oversight or not. *shrug*

I'm sure I'll have more thoughts later, but now.... LUNCH!

my best woot purchase so far