worldwidewebfeet wrote:DO NOT BUY.

http://www.woot.com/forums/viewpost.aspx?pageindex=5&postid=5095499

Sharp ac unit bought during the woot off, many received with damage. Woot service is not doing a thing. Sharp service is horrible, their solution is to bring the ac unit to a service center in my case thats a 90 mile round trip for the closest service center. Woots only answer was call Sharp even though it was sold with a 1 year Woot warranty. And there is an insert with the instruction manual that Sharp only has a limited warranty on refurbs for 30 days.

Do Not Buy.

Thanks, I'm glad someone else is advertising this! Good luck if you're brave enough to buy these!

If this exhausts the hot air to the outside, and assuming this air starts on the inside, doesn't that mean the room air must eventually be replaced by drawing in air from the outside? I mean, you can't just keep exhausting air from a room and expect to be able to breathe without it being replaced by air from somewhere else..
So does that decrease the efficiency of these units?

tesinth wrote:The manual (page EN-11) says that there is a water tank you have to empty, not that it is self-evaporative, bucket-less.

The self-evaporating thing is complete BS. I have two very high end portable A/C both from Soleus air, one is pretty old, one is very recent, and both are dual hose models (not single hose like this one) and although they are great, they both are placed up high on platforms I built so I can run a drip hose out the window they intake/exhaust from.

Without the drip hose, the old unit floods all over the floor because the 'evaporating' circuit can't keep up, and the new unit spends 90% of its time running in 'fan' mode trying to empty the internal tank of water through very inefficient evaporation, and 10% of the time running the compressor and actually creating some cold air.

With a drip hose going out a window (gravity drip from the internal tank, there is NO PUMP to push the water up the hose and out the window) these things work equal, if not better than, a window unit.

WHY DOESN'T ANYONE MAKE AN A/C THAT HAS A PUMP FOR THE DRIP HOSE!? They have dehumidifiers that do this. Why not A/C's?

However, this Sharp is a single hose model which will produce 'negative pressure' in the room (it exhaust hot air through the window, so obviously the air being exhausted out of the room needs to be offset with other air, which will be pulled in through crevices and unsealed parts of the room/home. This air is usually from the outside, which if you're running an A/C is...hot.

Only consider 'dual' hose models. Elevate it to window height (2.5ft for me, no biggie since they both have remote controls) and stick a drip hose out the window with the intake/exhaust hoses. This is the ONLY way to effectively set these things up.

drlava wrote:If this exhausts the hot air to the outside, and assuming this air starts on the inside, doesn't that mean the room air must eventually be replaced by drawing in air from the outside? I mean, you can't just keep exhausting air from a room and expect to be able to breathe without it being replaced by air from somewhere else..
So does that decrease the efficiency of these units?

Um... hopefully your rooms are not airtight! Most houses are not built that way.

If you are concerned, just crack the bedroom door, or another window.

Can anyone guestimate how long these would take to be shipped (to say, the Boston, MA area?)

I live in an apartment building and will be heading out of town for a week on the 15th, so I don't want it delivered while I'm not there.

I could also have it shipped to my parents house about an hour's drive away (so it's safe), but then that means I have to drive it home and attempt to carry up two flights miraculously, all on my own. And let's just say I'm a fragile girl.

OK, here's the bottom line. I bought 3 of these, to use as extra cooling to supplement my central A/C that runs non-stop. We live in the New Orleans area, with high heat and humidity. These 10,000 BTU units are the equivalent of a 5-6000 BTU average window units. They will not cool down a 300 SQ' room at all during the day. They are pretty heavy and lightly packaged. Each one had broken wheels too. The return policy isn't too good to say the least, so I have spent a lot of money on items that don't really cool a 250-300 SQ' room where I live. Maybe up north or out west where it's less hot and humid, they function OK. But, in environments like mine avoid them like the plague.

ThunderThighs wrote:We did have a few issues with the refurbished units from a couple previous sales being delivered with broken casters and/or window inserts.

In the first sale, we listed it with a 1-year warranty as this is what we were told by the vendor. Sharp changed the warranty with an insert to a 30-day warranty without our knowledge. Woot stepped in and covered the remaining 11 months warranty.

In the next sale, we listed it with a 1-year woot warranty even though Sharp carries the first 30 days. We directed people to contact Sharp if they needed only replacement parts as we don't carry parts for items we sell.

This sale is for a NEW Sharp AC unit. I asked about this specifically earlier today and was assured that it carries a 1-year Sharp warranty and is packaged in the original packaging. This packaging should protect the unit better in shipment.

As always, if you have issues with the unit upon receipt, contact service@woot.com. If you need only a replacement part, you'll do better to contact Sharp directly for faster service.

You mods just don't get it, you keep posting the contact service@woot.com crap, they don't do anything, they ignore emails, WHAT GOOD IS A 1 YEAR WARRANTY WHEN WOOT DOESN'T HONOR IT ON DAY ONE?

worldwidewebfeet wrote:You mods just don't get it, you keep posting the contact service@woot.com crap, they don't do anything, they ignore emails, WHAT GOOD IS A 1 YEAR WARRANTY WHEN WOOT DOESN'T HONOR IT ON DAY ONE?

From what I understand, the warranty is a 30 day sharp warranty, and AFTER that it's covered for the remaining 11 months by woot?
Manufacturer's warranty trumps woot's, that's simple. Why not just wait a month for the Sharp warranty to run out, and then try resolving the issue with woot? Then they can't tell you to contact the manufacturer...

CrystaIEyes wrote:From what I understand, the warranty is a 30 day sharp warranty, and AFTER that it's covered for the remaining 11 months by woot?
Manufacturer's warranty trumps woot's, that's simple. Why not just wait a month for the Sharp warranty to run out, and then try resolving the issue with woot? Then they can't tell you to contact the manufacturer...

Well, no. ThunderThighs just said these were new, not refurbished, units with 1-year manufacturer warranties. Please folks, please read these posts before putting your feet in your mouths.

grtgrfx wrote:Well, no. ThunderThighs just said these were new, not refurbished, units with 1-year manufacturer warranties. Please folks, please read these posts before putting your feet in your mouths.

uhh you do realize they were having a conversation about a previous woot offer that was refurbished, right?

Apollo1Man wrote:uhh you do realize they were having a conversation about a previous woot offer that was refurbished, right?

^This.
Thank you kind sir.

Yes I do realize that this sale is for a "new" model, but they were citing a recent sale for a similar refurbished A/C. So um, please learn to read completely yourself?

I have a similar 10,000 BTU unit from Soleus Air, and find that 10,000 BTUs is more than good enough for a large bedroom, average living room, or medium studio.

I live in an extremely large studio, and 10,000 BTU is not enough on days where it goes above 90. (but I live in Seattle, so that only happens like 10 days total out of the year.)

As someone who went through a lot of research last year prior to getting a pirtable AC unit, let me share some of my findings.

Most pirtable AC units (including this) utilize a single hose to pump hot air out of a window. Alternative variations are known as dual hose units, and of course have two hoses.

A quick rule of thumb, halve single hose btu measurements when compared to old style window units or dual hose designs. I.e. if just looking at numbers, you may be disappointed with this one.

The reason for the efficiency difference has to do with how air conditioners work. A quick thermodynamics lesson! In the unit is a closed loop of refrigerent. There are (for simple purposes) two parts of the loop. One is the 'high pressure' side, and the other is the low pressure. The air conditioner compresses the refridgerent first, and at high pressure there's a lot of energy in a small space, so it gets really hot. So we blow air over it to cool it off (this is the hot air coming out the host of the unit). Now, we let the refridgerent expand rapidly. If you've ever emptied a pressurized can quickly, you'll notice the can gets very cold. Likewise, the same thing happens on the low pressure part of the loop. So we blow air over the low pressure side into the room, and there's the chilling effect.

But wait! where does the air come from for each side? Well, we want to use outside air for the high pressure loop so we dont waste our 'cooler' air, and inside air for the cold loop to make it colder. Both window units and dual hose portable units do that. Single hose units work differently.

A sungle hose unit takes the air from inside (air you've already chilled), blows it over the hot coils of the high pressure loop, and sends it outside. It's actually very effective at cooling the hot loop due to the temperature delta, but it has a huge negative side effect. By pumping air out, we're creating a negative pressure in the room. That negative pressure will be equalized by outside air seeping through cracks and back into the room. In essence a chunk of work is lost.

Long story short, don't expect miracles. These are 1 small room units.

Also, once you have the unit in place, let it sit for a day so the coolant is most effective and settles

brainchasm wrote:Pfft, unnecessary for YOU maybe, but I have woot wine in that room!

I am not a maniac...

YOU DON'T KNOW!!!...YOU WEREN'T THERE!!!

If you have wine in the room, you really don't want this. Wine + built-in dehumidifier = vinegar.

ItlanIsAGeek wrote:I have a different brand, and it's a 14,000 BTU unit. I hooked up one of those meters which will calculate the cost to run.

In California, it costs me $2 per day, and about $700 of continuous operation for a year according to the meter.

"DO NOT BUY"

Sorry, Sharp AC's are some of the best (I've owned 2 myself) and considering these are new and not refurbished you should have no trouble with this one, which is a freaking bargain at this price.

So to answer some common misconceptions on these: Yes, they do self-evaporate but in very high humidity you may have to drain it occasionally, about every 2-3 days on average.

Yes, you need a window or a hole in the wall to exhaust to the outside, looking at the full kit you get with this you have plenty of options.

Yes, they are NOT as efficient at window units but perhaps a 33% reduction in BTU's and not 50% is more accurate when you have the exhaust hose short and not kinked.

If you have to drain it every 30 minutes, it is defective and you should return it.

If it doesn't cool off a 400 sq. ft. room at LEAST 20-25 degrees cooler than outside, return it, it is defective.

Yes, some are simply defective, I had one that cooled poorly once and I had to exchange. I think these are a very small percentage.

Hope this helps, this is a great late season bargain!

CrystaIEyes wrote:Can anyone guestimate how long these would take to be shipped (to say, the Boston, MA area?)

I live in an apartment building and will be heading out of town for a week on the 15th, so I don't want it delivered while I'm not there.

I could also have it shipped to my parents house about an hour's drive away (so it's safe), but then that means I have to drive it home and attempt to carry up two flights miraculously, all on my own. And let's just say I'm a fragile girl.

No but I can assure you...you will need some muscle to help you get it up the stairs...these aren't light- really not too portable other than having wheels--because of all the venting stuff...beats sweating your a** off! I wish it were Friday (payday!)-, this is a great price - I have 2 LG's could use 1 more.

syl731 wrote:No but I can assure you...you will need some muscle to help you get it up the stairs...these aren't light- really not too portable other than having wheels--because of all the venting stuff...beats sweating your a** off! I wish it were Friday (payday!)-, this is a great price - I have 2 LG's could use 1 more.

Haha thanks! I know I'd need extra muscles if I were going to lift it on my own.
That's why I was hoping for a guess on the delivery date,
if by some chance I can get it shipped to the apartment I can probably make the delivery person at least get it up the front stairs for me (and maybe into the RIDICULOUSLY YOUWOULDNOTBELIEVEHOWSMALL elevator). Which would be much more awesome.

But if it won't be when I'm there, then I have to try using "the force" to get it to budge I think =(

CrystaIEyes wrote:^This.
Thank you kind sir.

Yes I do realize that this sale is for a "new" model, but they were citing a recent sale for a similar refurbished A/C. So um, please learn to read completely yourself?

You tell em Boston !

@CowboyDann "Thanks, I'm glad someone else is advertising this!"
CowboyDann's way of saying "Hey I already said that " Lol

Interesting. It's got the same exact control panel that my Soleus Air portable unit has. I'm willing to bet it has the same innards as well, and mine was cheaper. Not Woot! cheaper, but regular price.

nicsmith wrote:It might evaporate out the exhaust tube?

I have had another brand for two years with same feature and it works great. Never a problem. I guess it uses the heat from the exhaust and blows it out the window with the heat.

Chances are this is a Haier (Chinese) derivative. I own one and (with an important caveat) it helped a lot in the recent heat wave.

BUT, BUT, BUT: The evaporative design to make it "tankless" DOES NOT WORK!

Bad idea with a small innner tray that cannot keep up with the amount of moisture in the air in many places.

Solution: unplug the "end of season" drain hole, attach a small bit of rubber tube and drain into a dish pan or bucket.

THE UNIT WILL NEED TO BE HIGHER THAN THE BUCKET FOR THIS TO WORK!

I was sucking gallons of water out of my kitchen and living room during the recent heat wave with my Haier.

Maybe you won't need to do this if you are in Arizona or South Texas.

How portable is it really?

I'd want to move it from room to room--from the living room during the day, to the bedroom at night. Anybody know if that's a royal pita? Looks like they want screws in the window panel and weather stripping. So, to move it to another room, you have to unscrew/untape things? Are the screws really needed, or can you just slot it in--or will it be to leaky then?

Also---Is it possible to buy a 2nd panel so you don't have to move it around? And, if so, is there a plug for the big hole when it's not in use?

Most portable AC units have a hose you can run out the window, you just have to get the unit high enough that it will drain. For short term like overnight you can run the hose into a big bucket. I've never seen one that doesn't drip water at all.

Edited: My comment was snarky, lacked fact and was not fair.

I have an Amanda version of this. It cools ok.. but it is like having an airplane landing in your room. Good for those rooms where the window units are impractical, or if you want something that can roll from room to room.

azndzyre wrote:So this air conditioner will work in a windowless room? A little confused because the description mentions installing it into a window/wall.

You can point the exhaust out the door of the windowless room. I've seen that done in highrise offices on the weekend when the building's a/c was off and the windows don't open in those buildings. So someone would put the portable a/c in, say, a conference room, point the exhaust hose out the door into the hallway, and close the door as far as possible.

These don't work at all. Bought one and because of the heat it produces while trying to cool air, it actually raised the temperature of the room it was trying to cool down. As the old adage goes....'as useless as vacation photos on a boar'!!

jc007 wrote:Dehumidifier function removes up to 50 pints of moisture per day
Self-evaporative, bucketless design.

Doesn't this contradict itself?

I've got the one from woot a month or so ago - also a sharp. It blows the exhaust across the water collection pan so it will evaporate out the exhaust. In really humid conditions, you may still have to empty it. I found reviews online of folks that literally never emptied it, and others who needed to once or twice a day, based on climate. For mine, I rigged a drainage tube to pump it out the windo if ever need be.

Don't use this to supplement an undersized central air unit. The air this thing exhausts will be the air your central unit has worked so hard to cool. Dual hose portable units remedy this problem, but they are much more expensive.

I have a Haier two-hose variant of this, but I've used it in single-hose (like this) configuration.
For those asking about power: Mine was a 14k and draws 8A running (significantly higher starting). This unit probably draws around 6A.
Extension cord: Yes, you can, but USE A HEAVY CORD! These things draw so much juice that they could literally catch a light cord on fire!
Evaporative design: What happens in these is that the condensate drips down on the condenser coil (the hot side), which is both hot and has air blowing over it. If your air is dry enough, it'll all evaporate before reaching the partly drip pan in the bottom. Should this fail or get overwhelmed you'll still have to drain.
Single hose: HUGE efficency hit. Mine really had to fight to overcome the hot air coming into the room. If you're using it as supplemental room cooling, this won't be as big a problem, but as the only cooling it'll be running a while and not have much effect.
Condition: As TT pointed out above, these units are NEW and FACTORY PACKAGED, which should SERIOUSLY reduce instances of damage-in-shipping and piss-poor refurb practices (my poor Haier, victim of both).
Other Thoughts: My Haier didn't have weatherstripping, but masking tape works ^.^; There's usually a blanking plate you can put over the hose mounting hole when you aren't using the unit, but want to leave the air plate thingy in the window.

azndzyre wrote:So this air conditioner will work in a windowless room? A little confused because the description mentions installing it into a window/wall.

I bought a similar version last month. It does have to vent exhaust out a window. Mine came with a kit which made it very easy to pop into a sliding window. The venting takes about five inches off the width of the window and doesn't look too bad. It would be hard to use this in a window-less room because the exhaust hose has to connect to the outside somehow.

I'm surprised, but then again not so surprised, at the amount of negativity towards this sale. This is not the same A/C unit as the last one folks....

There are many factors which can influence your 'cooling' experience. Don't expect miracles here if you have insulation issues in your home/apartment/office/etc - in other words, if you still have a heat blanket for a ceiling and warm air pouring in through cracks around your window frame(s), any A/C is going to be fighting that. Suggestions to place the hose outside a door is a bad idea unless you've sealed the gap completely, which is not possible with the supplied parts. Fixing insulation problems (we have R-60 cellulose and an attic power vent) will probably keep your house much cooler just by itself, it did in our case.

I have the OLD Sharp unit woot! offered that is fantastic. It stays in the bedroom only, and although it is called a portable unit, I wouldn't use it as such. It is heavy and cumbersome to move around. I would imagine this is similarly sized and truly not something you'd want to move from room to room all day.

I have never had to remove any drip trays, and you can hear a water 'gurgling' type noise every so often, but the manual says that is normal behavior. The unit runs at night and cools the 255 sq ft room in just minutes. We keep the house at 80 degrees and the bedroom at 70 degrees and so far it is working perfectly. You can feel very cold air coming from the vents, and while the exhaust hose gets warm, it's not a big concern.

Mine also did not arrive broken; perhaps I was one of the lucky ones.

In any case, I would hesitate to put so boldly not to buy this unit when your experiences and opinions are all of other models (Haier, Sharp Refurb, Soleus, etc)

a2gretta wrote:I bought a similar version last month. It does have to vent exhaust out a window. Mine came with a kit which made it very easy to pop into a sliding window. The venting takes about five inches off the width of the window and doesn't look too bad. It would be hard to use this in a window-less room because the exhaust hose has to connect to the outside somehow.

To clarify...it sits on the floor in the vicinity of a window and a hose runs up to and out the window.

Hate to read all of the specs so will ask the experts. Does this HAVE to be put into a window?

einspahr wrote:Hate to read all of the specs so will ask the experts. Does this HAVE to be put into a window?

Yes. The hot air it "collects" has to go somewhere. Either outside or back in your room. You decide.

So I live around Houston and have add one of these (a Sharp portable AC) for years. I got it to run at night because my bedroom is at the opposite side of the house as my house AC, so I did have to freeze my house out at night to get my bedroom cool. This helped solve that. It has ran, no issues, for years. Honestly, I did not realize until recently that you had to drain out the water (!) I think I have probably had condensation built up in their for years. Anyways, from my own experience, as long as you understand what it is intended for (a relatively small room, to cool it down marginally) and what you have to do to install it (needs to be near a window you can vent it out) it works fine. Don't be thinking you can buy this and stick it in your house and it is an acceptable substitute for a $10K home AC unit. I have done some poking around and can't find any direct info on this unit...even the sharp site from what I can tell does not list it. It looks different than the one I have currently and the one on the websites (where the vents are more horizontal, along the top; this one seems to have a more squared out venting in the middle of the unit). Has anyone been able to find any info (other than Woot) on this item?

I have the LG version. This kind of unit uses the condensate water to cool the compressor. In doing this, most of the water is evaporated out the exhaust tube. However, in our humid environment I still need to drain the pan about once every one or two days. It all depends on the humidity at your location.

Unfortunately it's really hard to drain these things since the plug is low to the floor and if you try to roll it into the bathroom you'll spill the pan. I had to put mine on a small box so I could get a cup under the drain plug.