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Banksy Art: Tag, You're It

What do you get for the fan of the man who challenges copyright laws each and every day? What do you get for the fan of the man who subtly makes fun of corporations? What do you get for the fan of the man who puts his art out where anyone can view it for free? Hmm … we dunno. What DO you get?
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inkycatz


quality posts: 105 Private Messages inkycatz

We've had Warhol, now we get Banksy. What's your preference?

I'm just hanging out, really.

joetron2030


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Are these even legitimate Banksy prints? I have a hard time believing he would throw in with this site.

I could be wrong. But, something seems really fishy to me.

ktrenholm


quality posts: 2 Private Messages ktrenholm
joetron2030 wrote:Are these even legitimate Banksy prints? I have a hard time believing he would throw in with this site.

I could be wrong. But, something seems really fishy to me.



In the italics for each one:

This sale is in no way authorized by the mysterious figure known as Banksy, and these are not official or authorized reproductions. Which makes them, like, "unsanctioned" and "underground" and "cool", right? Right?

masamunesslave


quality posts: 3 Private Messages masamunesslave
joetron2030 wrote:Are these even legitimate Banksy prints? I have a hard time believing he would throw in with this site.

I could be wrong. But, something seems really fishy to me.



It's kinda hard to get legit prints from his artwork, as most of his work is usually on the side of a building or on a bridge.

From what I can find, it appears that he does not 'sell' the reproductions itself, and iCanvasArt clearly states that these prints are reproductions.

I picked up one directly from iCanvasArt, and I am pretty satisfied with the quality; looks and feels like it will hold up for years.

Kelsennel


quality posts: 1 Private Messages Kelsennel
joetron2030 wrote:Are these even legitimate Banksy prints? I have a hard time believing he would throw in with this site.

I could be wrong. But, something seems really fishy to me.



Considering he's basically a criminal, contacting him to authorize these prints would be very difficult. And very few people even know who he is at all for that matter.

I do find it amusing that his graffiti is now being sold as collectible art prints.

reede


quality posts: 1 Private Messages reede

I purchased 3 of these prints last time around.

Pulp Fiction Bananas
Stained Glass window
Yellow Lines fellow painter.

With all of these, I was really disappointed in the richness of the colors. I felt the printing was of low quality. They don't look anywhere near as full of color as the graphics on the webpage do.

For instance, in my print at home, I can barely make out the brick pattern in the Pulp Fiction Banana.



YellowCow8


quality posts: 1 Private Messages YellowCow8

"Keep the Coins, I Want Change" is NOT Banksy. It's by a Melbourne street artist named Meek (inspired by Banksy though). Obviously icanvasart is capitalizing on the Banksy fame without doing homework. Don't support them as Banksy and other artists will not see any of your money.

fjp999


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inkycatz wrote:We've had Warhol, now we get Banksy. What's your preference?



I was lucky to get a set of the Warhol 10 Marilyns about 6 months ago (from another pop up site) - so I now have 20 colorful Marilyns hanging next to each other.

Saw a bunch of Bansky prints on another pop up site but missed out on that sale... then they were on Woot but more costly... waited a bit and got a free shipping coupon from the other site and the price was great so picked up their Drunk Angel #2.

It is also from iCanvasArt and looks great... seems to be stretched a bit different than what is described here but maybe not... you can re-stretch this print... and though most is in b&w the RED X is very bright and the other lines are very bold. It hangs opposite the 20 Marilyns *** to be honest cant compare my love for Warhol to Bansky!

Also, on the previous Woot Bansky sale another poster posted that Bansky has all/most of his stuff on his site for anyone to print out for themselves - so go ahead and print away all.

aoviss


quality posts: 23 Private Messages aoviss

Bansky is what art is NOT. It sucks

trypsin


quality posts: 4 Private Messages trypsin

Do they at least donate some of the money to Banksy-promoted causes?

Just because Banksy breaks the law doesn't mean you can just lift his art and sell prints of it. Heck, in some places, his art has been legal, so the argument that he (and the respective property owners) have no copyrights is utter BS, and the disclaimer here on Woot nearly admits as much. Copyright, in the US, has provisions for anonymous authors and aliases, iCanvas is just choosing to ignore it.

Calling these "prints" and seeking to accurately reproduce the original art means that we can pretty much ignore any claims that iCanvas is clean because the original art was an open public display. You can take and sell pictures of public art displays, for example, so long as you are not trying to reproduce the original. A side note: Although there’s a disclaimer here on Woot that lets you know that Banksy and friends get no gain from sales and have no connection with these prints, the iCanvas website says nothing of the sort. On a plain reading of their Banksy page, which carefully avoids the word, “unauthorized,” an average reader would assume that these are prints by Banksy.

Banksy's art has different values, leaves different impressions, and holds different meanings when taken in situ. Therefore, such prints arguably devalue the original art and distort its messages. For example, the girl with the balloons, in real life, is on the Bank of London. Seeing that, rather than the print, conveys something bittersweet rather than just "Oh cool a girl with balloons. Balloons are awesome! I'm putting this over my Ikea futon bed!"

The originals of half of the other images are near or on key landmarks. Context, for Banksy, is almost as important as the art itself. That's why he's an anonymous graffiti artist: so he can put his art on specific, powerful canvases even when it's illegal to do so. The canvas matters. I wonder how many people have iCanvas prints hanging over their sofas and beds while having no clue that the original was, say, on a Palestinian wall.

If not a legal issue, then the selling of these prints is certainly is a moral one. I'm not saying that iCanvas needs to knock it off, because I'm sure my words would have no effect on them, but I'm arguing against Woot (and Amazon) associating with iCanvas and thus profiting off of the same problem. Woot, with the presences of a disclaimer that was missing from iCanvas, evidently had a similar concern but chose to sell the prints anyway.

You guys are better than that. You Woot guys have a higher standard than ordinary companies.

Woot buyers, likewise, are intelligent people. We're nerds, by and large--nerds who have expressed outraged when guys like Todd Goldman plagiarized art. The T-shirt community right here at Woot has had a few incidents of complete rage against T-shirt artists plagiarizing. And those were tracings, not the full-on, brazen selling of unauthorized prints with the artist's own name attached at the top. The message is nearly as bad as the act itself: "We know selling this is kinda wrong, but we're hoping you suckers won't notice or care."

This is not cool, Woot. This is the polar opposite of a Woot deal. It is a fooM.

lwang


quality posts: 32 Private Messages lwang

This is immoral profiteering on images without context. I can't believe woot sells it and people buying it only because they think it is a bargain.

monkeylice


quality posts: 3 Private Messages monkeylice

I don't really care about the whole moral outrage thing about selling prints of pictures of graffiti. Picked up a large Thinker Monkey last go around and was impressed by the construction quality, seems like it will hold up well. Looks awesome too! That being said, I can see what a previous poster meant about the color contrast being a bit off. It doesn't matter much in the one I got, but it may be more offputting with the more colorful prints.

bobtina


quality posts: 0 Private Messages bobtina
Kelsennel wrote:Considering he's basically a criminal, contacting him to authorize these prints would be very difficult. And very few people even know who he is at all for that matter.

I do find it amusing that his graffiti is now being sold as collectible art prints.




Banksy has a dealer that sells his work. His work is highly sought after by collectors. Occasionally he will do reproductions, but often times a piece of wall will be removed (with permission of the building owner) and sold at auction for a rather hefty price.

spacemart


quality posts: 15 Private Messages spacemart
aoviss wrote:Bansky is what art is NOT. It sucks



art is in the eye of the beholder, dink

spacemart


quality posts: 15 Private Messages spacemart
aoviss wrote:Bansky is what art is NOT. It sucks



art is in the eye of the beholder, dink

angryangel10


quality posts: 0 Private Messages angryangel10

That's what I'm thinking? And the "Life is Beautiful" is a Mr.Brainwash print instead of Banksy, isnt it?

angryangel10


quality posts: 0 Private Messages angryangel10
YellowCow8 wrote:"Keep the Coins, I Want Change" is NOT Banksy. It's by a Melbourne street artist named Meek (inspired by Banksy though). Obviously icanvasart is capitalizing on the Banksy fame without doing homework. Don't support them as Banksy and other artists will not see any of your money.



I agree. The "Life is Beautiful" is not a Banksy either. Isn't it a Mr. Brainwash print? Which we should all know is garbage

nandaman


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DO NOT BUY. This is not supported by Banksy. In fact, on his own website (www.banksy.co.uk) he talks about the unauthorized use and sale of his work. You can download it for personal use, but not for resale. This company is breaking the law and woot should not be supporting this company.

In addition, as others have mentioned, these are not all works of Banksy! Rather, Mr. Brainwash, Dolk, and others - so even the advertising of the artist is not correct!

If you want a real Banksy print, signed or unsigned, they run $1000-$15,000 with cerificiation from Pictures on Walls (POW). They are amazing pieces of street art which often have a political message - stencil art is a very challenging and creative form of expression. As with all art...in the eye of the beholder - love Banksy, Dolk, Blek le Rat, Miss Bugs, Jeremy Geddes, Josh Keyes and others....but don't waste your money on this crap.

ravjhaj


quality posts: 0 Private Messages ravjhaj

5 pounds in the art shops in England.......

purplefeather


quality posts: 8 Private Messages purplefeather

I really like Banksy art, but like I said last time, I have a hard time morally with buying these prints when they are about as unauthorized as you can get.

I know that graffiti isn't exactly legal, and so Banksy himself is a criminal. That still doesn't give anyone the right to profit off of his artwork. Like someone mentioned above me, the proceeds could at least be donated to one of the causes he supports.

KimNicole


quality posts: 3 Private Messages KimNicole
nandaman wrote:DO NOT BUY. This is not supported by Banksy. In fact, on his own website (www.banksy.co.uk) he talks about the unauthorized use and sale of his work. You can download it for personal use, but not for resale. This company is breaking the law and woot should not be supporting this company.

In addition, as others have mentioned, these are not all works of Banksy! Rather, Mr. Brainwash, Dolk, and others - so even the advertising of the artist is not correct!

If you want a real Banksy print, signed or unsigned, they run $1000-$15,000 with cerificiation from Pictures on Walls (POW). They are amazing pieces of street art which often have a political message - stencil art is a very challenging and creative form of expression. As with all art...in the eye of the beholder - love Banksy, Dolk, Blek le Rat, Miss Bugs, Jeremy Geddes, Josh Keyes and others....but don't waste your money on this crap.



It's actually a violation of copyright holder's rights for Woot to resale under these conditions. As others have mentioned representational photos of Artwork are not considered transformative. The lawyer is relying on the removal of context to cover his butt and turn these photos into new works.

All in all, everytime these come up, I consider not purchasing again from woot.

Yellow5


quality posts: 3 Private Messages Yellow5

I bought the thinker monkey print last time, I love it but right when I got it I had it laying on my bed as I was trying to figure out where to put it and a few droplets of water got onto it and it removed the ink and left white spots. It doesn't look bad though, kind of looks like it fits but don't get water on yours!

souplogic


quality posts: 0 Private Messages souplogic
angryangel10 wrote:I agree. The "Life is Beautiful" is not a Banksy either. Isn't it a Mr. Brainwash print? Which we should all know is garbage



'Cept MBW is prolly Banksy.