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Poll: How do you treat speed limits?
  • 7.6% - I always follow them completely, Officer. 174
  • 16% - In residential areas, I keep it slow; on the highway, anything goes. 365
  • 47.7% - I stay a consistent 5-10 MPH over the limit. 1086
  • 1.8% - Pedal all the way down, all the time. 42
  • 26.8% - I use my best judgment about what I can get away with. 610
2277 votes

Well, how do you fare compared to the Zeitgeist? Chat up your fellow wooters and let us know how lame this poll was or what obvious choices we missed. For example: Was this poll a) STUPID, b) DUMB, c) POINTLESS or d) ALL OF THE ABOVE?


quality posts: 4 Private Messages gholt121

Drive it like you stole it! Except in school zones - that ain't cool.

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quality posts: 2 Private Messages AZScott
gholt121 wrote:Drive it like you stole it! Except in school zones - that ain't cool.

I Wrote This primer A Few Years Ago i think it Still Applys...

------Rules of Speed----
By AZSCOTT copyright 2013


The best radar detector in the world will not keep you from speeding tickets if your technique sucks. If you do not have a Bel 980 or better you will get caught. Eventually everyone gets caught no matter what technique or radar detector you use. If you just bought a radar detector you need to learn how it works and what it is saying to you before you stake your driving record on it.

You should place the radar detector as high on the windshield as possible . Avoid placing it behind the tinted area as in some vehicles
this tint contains metal and will restrict the detectors sensitivity. Some windshields have antennas built in. Avoid these areas as well as any area that is masked as a means of shielding light for the same reasons.

Permanently wire it if you can. This avoids a cable in your view and it allows for a stealth install. Stealth is important as it may keep you on the bottom of the pull me over list.

If your detector has highway/city mode keep it in highway mode. You want it to be as sensitive as possible so you can learn its range in the different bands. You want to know how well it works with radar from each direction (including the sides). You will need to know how to tell if you are approaching an oncoming "bogey", if one is approaching you and are you in the same direction of travel. You will need to learn when it tells you that there is one over the hill, around the corner or behind the overpass. You may find that leaving it in highway mode is not that much of a bother considering the net gains.

Each radar detector is different in how it notifies you and how it causes you to react to the bogey . The most important thing to remember about using a radar detector is to learn how it sounds when a radar gun is pointed at your driving neighbor, not you. The way to do that is to keep a rabbit (a car ahead of you or a faster car) ahead of you. Read about more rabbits below.

Turn off X band receive. No one uses it outside the "Boy, you in a heepa trouble" areas and then you in a heepa trouble anyway. When you are in those areas take care and slow down. It is suggested that during your learning period that you keep it on.


Learn the profiles of police vehicles from all different sides. Learn and memorize theheadlight and taillight arrangements on these vehicles. Recognizing these profiles from a distance will be your best protection with or without radar detection.

Know the Undercover Cars in the areas you travel in. Look for tint or full dark tint as a hint. When you are approaching a car look for a mess of stuff around the windshield rear view mirror or rear deck. Look for too many antennas.


Rabbits are vehicles in front of you that you use as a tool to maintain your target speed. There are two different types, lone rabbits or fast rabbits. These vehicles will get instant-on hit before you get there. If you have a good detector and you learn to read what it tells you when that happens you can use these vehicles as your first line of defense. Let the rabbits take the instant-on hit. If you end up hearing and instant-on on your vehicle, prepare to get pulled over if you are exceeding "what the law will allow". .

Fast rabbits are vehicles traveling at or above your target speed. You should follow fast rabbits at no closer than a 1/4 mile. A 1/2 mile is better and a greater distance is even better. Good fast rabbits like it that way. They want to see behind you and want a little warning that a bogey is coming from behind. Fast rabbits carrying radar detectors depend on other rabbits to protect them whenever possible

Be fair. Being a fast rabbit is very stressful. It is like being the point man. The point man is up there for one of two reasons, as a target or they are good at spotting bogeys. If you are good at spotting bogeys trade off every once in a while and share the burden. Sometimes a fast rabbit will slow for no apparent reason. If this seems to be the case after checking out what is near them, they are asking you to take the point and give them a rest.

Lone rabbits are just vehicles far ahead of you that you are catching up to. You use these rabbits as bogeys bait while travelling at your target speed. You will go from one lone rabbit to the next until you get to your destination.

Big Rigs are good and bad as lone rabbits. When the bogey hits them with radar it will reflect strongly and give you a good indication of what you will be seeing shortly. They are bad in the respect that they almost always know where the bogeys are so they are rarely speeding and the bogeys know that and they rarely hit them with instant on. This is the only good reason to have a CB radio, but more on that later.

Generally if you have a good detector and there is automobile traffic you will be informed of the presence of a bogey. There are other good reasons to use Big Rigs as rabbits. They have a very consistent profile and taillight arrangement that are easy to recognize from great distances and they block any chance of your vehicle speed being detected if you are not at acute angle from the bogey and the Big Rig. Larger profiles bounce the radar back better than smaller profiles


Never speed coming up to a hill (without a rabbit). Yes, they like to hide at the top and bottoms of hills

Never speed approaching the cover of an overpass (without a rabbit). Bogeys will hide behind, under and on top of overpasses. Think about if you were a cop where would you hide. In the grass, behind a broke down vehicle, on an entrance ramp, behind jersey walls and many many other good places that you would pick too.

Never drive fast when you are angry. You are not paying enough attention to speed.

Never endanger anyone with your speed. This includes the officers that have to chase you and the Rescue and Recovery personnel that have to retrieve your body or your vehicle.

Turn down your radio and make sure your mirrors are perfectly adjusted.

Look for brake lights for no reason. There is always a reason. Bogeys, speed limit changes, obstructions and illegal aliens.

Watch the drivers around you. If you are traveling much faster than your neighbors you will get noticed. If your neighbors slow down abruptly they probably see something you don't. Approach your neighbors at your target speed but slow and pass them with care and courtesy. They will call in on you using cell phones.

When you see a sign that says speed determined by aircraft, believe it. It is very difficult to detect a "Bear in the Air". During inclement weather is your only chance to avoid detection. Look for the white lines in the road. The officer in the air is you from one line to the next. They use the same technique for VASCAR too.


Uniden sells a scanner (BCT8 for about $180) with a BearTracker feature. This feature listens to the input frequency or mobile repeater frequency of the bogeys. When a bogey transmits to another bogey or to bogey base this scanner will beep loudly like a radar
detector. Most scanners are set up to listen to the output frequency of the towers or base stations and this is of little use for bogey hunting. Use this information as an extension of the radar detector to assist in adjusting your speed and reactions.

The BCT8 scanner comes with a cheap antenna. It is good hearing bogeys about 3 miles away from you. Use this antenna and do not be tempted to upgrade it. To make best use of this scanner the antenna should not be too sensitive. You only want to be notified of bogeys within a few miles of your location, not the whole county. The input frequencies are weaker than the tower frequencies. You can still program or use the tower or base frequencies to listen to in traffic problems or criminal activities.

This scanner is programmable as well so you can add CB channel 19 to hear the truckers tell on you as you pass. You can also add the county and city frequencies of the places that you frequent as only the Highway Patrol frequencies are programmed and use the alert tone for bogey hunting.


The Laser detector on your radar detector is useless. It only serves to let you know that a bogey is going to come out of nowhere and give you a ticket. Use a Laser Jammer instead. Get a BLINDER, LidateK, K40, Escort or Bel laser jammer setup. Install it stealth and use it stealth. Lidatek probably the is the safest to own and Blinder is the safest to use.

Laser Jammers are passive devices and only send a jamming signal when it detects a laser hit. Some stay on for only 5 seconds to give you time to slow down (LIDATEK) and some stay on until you the offending beam is turned off (BLINDER).

Laser Jammers are not illegal own but there are charges you can get for using them in some areas. Charges like impeding an officer or obstruction of justice are what you could get but are very uncommon. You will probably be able to fight them in court successfully but who
needs more court time.

It is important to let the Laser Jammer do its job while you slow down and turn if off when you get to the legal speed. Let the officer think
he has trouble with his equipment as that happens all the time. Some Neon signs and LED taillights will false Laser Jammers and Laser Guns. Glass in some street lamps may cause a false due to the prismatic affect of a sunset or sunrise.

Radar Jammers are illegal and hard to find. It is not suggested to use them because the are too easy to detect and if you get caught just
possessing one there could very well be a $10,000 fine as well as jail time. No matter what you hear do not buy ROCKY MOUNTAIN ANYTHING. There is no such thing as a passive radar jammer that is legal to own.

If you have big bucks go to ebay and buy some old police radar units. Get one K and one Ka. Then build a circuit connected to your radar detector that when the appropriate radar band is hot it turns on your gun(s). Slow down and turn off your gun(s). When you get pulled over
and you are asked why you have them, tell them they are for your car club at the track. You will still get arrested but the cop will get a laugh. At least the FCC won't fine you for illegal equipment, just for not having a license operating it.

Remember the most important fact. YOU WILL GET CAUGHT EVENTUALLY. Know the felony laws and mandatory penalties for certain excess speeds. Always stay below those speeds. If you run you are in a "HEEPA TROUBLE!"

[This information was written and compiled by Someone that is currently doing time for Speeding to a Elude, Felony Speeding, Obstruction of Justice, Impeding an officer in the course of his duties and Contempt of court for failure to pay fines - Just Kidding]


quality posts: 3 Private Messages mirrorz
gholt121 wrote:Drive it like you stole it!

You mean following all traffic laws, and being courteous to everyone around you to avoid attracting any police attention?

I saw a turtle.


quality posts: 52 Private Messages vladistov

I'm a cyclist. So, 'D', I suppose; except I don't get tickets for it.


quality posts: 7 Private Messages beaglebrains

I think of them as "speed suggestions"...


quality posts: 0 Private Messages fenix1186

Yeah, definitely speed suggestions. I always keep an eye out for cops and use bait on the highway (and by bait I mean 'rabbit' as the poster above calls them).


quality posts: 0 Private Messages diabolicaljedi

I have driven vehicles from buses to scooters, and in my experience, speeding simply isn't worth it.

I have witnessed and been involved in accidents where speed (even 5-10 mph over the speed limit) is a factor.

As an interesting statistic, in a 35 mph zone, the chance of being involved in a fatal car accident doubles every 3 mph you drive above the speed limit. Considering that 3 mph may save you a minute or two per day, is the risk of dying or killing someone else really worth the time you save?

Drive smart. Stay safe and alert when driving. Keep your eyes on the road.


quality posts: 3917 Private Messages lichme

Depends if my wife is in the car or not

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quality posts: 5 Private Messages deadeye37

On the freeways here, we have the "Utah Speed Limit" which is 10 mph over the posted. Most people go that speed, even the Highway Patrol. Any more than that and you're fair game.

On surface streets, its 5 mph over, and in residential areas its 5 under. School zones are sacred.


quality posts: 0 Private Messages flyingkitty67

Got caught twice, and it was not cheap. I can't afford to speed. :\


quality posts: 0 Private Messages holloweddarkness

People always speed and when they get caught, they complain about getting a ticket... Why give the officers any excuse to pull you over then?

I have a clean driving record and I would like to keep it that way. Speed limit for me.


quality posts: 2 Private Messages MukYJ

If speed limits were posted reasonably, using best-practice engineering methods, I would have no problem obeying them. As it is, the vast majority of the country's highways and freeways are underposted, sometimes dangerously so. I have no problem exceeding an underposted speed limit to go with the flow of traffic, since that's the safest thing to do.

Educate yourself folks: http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/


quality posts: 59 Private Messages RWoodward
deadeye37 wrote:On the freeways here, we have the "Utah Speed Limit" which is 10 mph over the posted. Most people go that speed, even the Highway Patrol. Any more than that and you're fair game.

On surface streets, its 5 mph over, and in residential areas its 5 under. School zones are sacred.

I once heard a State Trooper say, "Nine you're fine, ten you're mine" implying that he wouldn't bother with anyone going less than ten MPH over the limit. That doesn't apply to "special enforcement zones" i.e. speed traps, where a half dozen or more patrol cars wait to pull over anyone exceeding, even by one MPH; or permanent traps like Rosendale, WI, where the local constable provides 100% of the village's budget through constant zero tolerance enforcement.


quality posts: 0 Private Messages ravynwolf

5 over on the highway unless traffic in general is moving faster then you go with the flow.


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