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Samsung 32" 720p LCD or LED HDTV

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lichme


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Item: Samsung 32" 720p LCD or LED HDTV
Price: $179.99
Shipping Options: $5 Standard
Condition: Refurbished

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weyoon


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What's up with the 720 TVs? You'd think a LED TV would be 1080.

zippolight2002


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Am I just crazy or is it really hard to justify spending more than $100 for a non-1080p TV/monitor nowadays? Especially one this big?

weyoon


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zippolight2002 wrote:Am I just crazy or is it really hard to justify spending more than $100 for a non-1080p TV/monitor nowadays? Especially one this big?



Not just you

0150r


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weyoon wrote:What's up with the 720 TVs? You'd think a LED TV would be 1080.



LED has nothing to do with resolution.

It's a 32" screen, there is no need for 1080P

weyoon


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0150r wrote:LED has nothing to do with resolution.



I know that, I was referring to LED as a modern TV and why a modern TV would be anything but 1080. Just because you can barely notice the difference hasn't stopped a single company from pushing products anyway.

nebugeater


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weyoon wrote:What's up with the 720 TVs? You'd think a LED TV would be 1080.



Prob because it is cheaper to manufacture.

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wgoddard65


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I'm pretty ignorant about TV quality. Is this one any good and which is better LCD or LED?

Wade Goddard

0150r


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wgoddard65 wrote:I'm pretty ignorant about TV quality. Is this one any good and which is better LCD or LED?



LED has lower power consumption.

EricPost


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No TV station in the USA or Canada broadcasts in 1080p. It's either standard def, 720p or 1080i, so there is no need for this.

Cable, dish and VIOS/Uverse compress their signals even more than over the air so you're not getting 1080p anyway.

The only use for 1080p would be a BluRay or very high def new game.

Broadband for 1080p is enormous and with data caps, it would easily run your cap up.

At 32" you can't tell anyway. High def is a reality but marketed as a gimmick for people that bought it.

Really outside of sports or nature programs most programming is upscaled or not needed. I mean is Seinfeld any funnier if it's clearer. Is the news any more informative if you can see every Anchorperson's pores?

Since the FCC plans to repack the spectrum and the current digital TV, which we switched to in 2009 is so hopelessly outdated already, it makes little sense to make 1080p in any quantities till the next digital standard comes out.

MosquitoControl


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EricPost wrote:No TV station in the USA or Canada broadcasts in 1080p. It's either standard def, 720p or 1080i, so there is no need for this.

Cable, dish and VIOS/Uverse compress their signals even more than over the air so you're not getting 1080p anyway.

The only use for 1080p would be a BluRay or very high def new game.

Broadband for 1080p is enormous and with data caps, it would easily run your cap up.

At 32" you can't tell anyway. High def is a reality but marketed as a gimmick for people that bought it.

Really outside of sports or nature programs most programming is upscaled or not needed. I mean is Seinfeld any funnier if it's clearer. Is the news any more informative if you can see every Anchorperson's pores?

Since the FCC plans to repack the spectrum and the current digital TV, which we switched to in 2009 is so hopelessly outdated already, it makes little sense to make 1080p in any quantities till the next digital standard comes out.



Why do people insist upon "at X" you can't notice." That's not true. That's one factor in the equation. The other factor is distance. For a 32" TV the generally accepted principle is that you can tell 1080 vs 720 from any distance under 6'.

So please, stop with the "you can't tell the difference." You absolutely can if you're within 6 feet. Many people will use this from farther away. Many will use it closer and not care. But why lie and say "no one can tell the difference" when that isn't factually accurate?

bluemaple


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EricPost wrote:No TV station in the USA or Canada broadcasts in 1080p. It's either standard def, 720p or 1080i, so there is no need for this.

Cable, dish and VIOS/Uverse compress their signals even more than over the air so you're not getting 1080p anyway.

The only use for 1080p would be a BluRay or very high def new game.

Broadband for 1080p is enormous and with data caps, it would easily run your cap up.

At 32" you can't tell anyway. High def is a reality but marketed as a gimmick for people that bought it.

Really outside of sports or nature programs most programming is upscaled or not needed. I mean is Seinfeld any funnier if it's clearer. Is the news any more informative if you can see every Anchorperson's pores?

Since the FCC plans to repack the spectrum and the current digital TV, which we switched to in 2009 is so hopelessly outdated already, it makes little sense to make 1080p in any quantities till the next digital standard comes out.


@EricPost, actually, that is not accurate.

1) While the average TV watcher @10-12 feet won't notice, the difference closer in @5-6 feet is very obvious. Try it.

2) For use also as a PC monitor a 1080p spec gets you 1920x1080 resolution vs mediocre 1366x768 for the 720p spec.

mikeeyram


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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889354297

Only $65 more for 1080p (199.99+5) or (269.99+free)

Comes with better speakers too

rpmosby


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wgoddard65 wrote:I'm pretty ignorant about TV quality. Is this one any good and which is better LCD or LED?


From this, I'm thinking LCD. It seems LCD is also LED, just with LCD added:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57344058-221/led-lcd-vs-plasma-vs-lcd/

rpmosby


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mikeeyram wrote:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889354297

Only $65 more for 1080p (199.99+5) or (269.99+free)

Comes with better speakers too


Only? For the same size, same brand and also refurbished?

robush4


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perhaps someone can educate me if i am wrong, but i find this woot contributes to misinformation. I have heard people who think they know about TV's compare LED to LCD like this woot does. However, aren't they both LCD televisions whereas the 'LCD' model is lit by an older lamp, and the 'LED' television is lit by a panel of LED's laid out in a grid. Is there any type of difference in the panel used that depends on the light source?

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quantamm


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robush4 wrote:perhaps someone can educate me if i am wrong, but i find this woot contributes to misinformation. I have heard people who think they know about TV's compare LED to LCD like this woot does. However, aren't they both LCD televisions whereas the 'LCD' model is lit by an older lamp, and the 'LED' television is lit by a panel of LED's laid out in a grid. Is there any type of difference in the panel used that depends on the light source?



Yuppers, you're exactly right. The "LCD" TV uses a fluorescent bulb as the backlight, but the panel itself is identical. They probably don't name them correctly because of how it would look: This is a LED LCD TV. Try saying that one a few times fast.

Smeagol150


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wgoddard65 wrote:I'm pretty ignorant about TV quality. Is this one any good and which is better LCD or LED?



Best Buy reviews on the LCD are numerous and pretty great. Reviews on the LED are even more numerous and more great.

For either of these TVs, they will be perfect for basic watching. If you hook up 1080p sources to it, yes you will lose out on the full HD experience. However, if you're just looking for a TV to play news on in the morning, these are good options.

For the difference between LED to LCD, first you have to know an LED TV is an LCD TV. All LCD refers to is the screen of the TV, which in this case is the same. LED TV refers to the backlighting of the TV. TVs labeled as just LCD will use a florescent backlighting. LEDs are better for longevity, energy consumption, potentially thinner, and can (I emphasize can) provide a softer lighting. A LED TV is better than an LCD TV. If you go to a brick and mortar, you'll be hard-pressed to find the higher brands touching LCD anymore. In fact, the Samsung here is originally from 2 years ago.

When LED has everything better than LCD, when they cost the same to make, there's not a point to LCD anymore.

I should make a final point, on both of these TVs, the connections are very basic. There is no audio out for either model, so if you're looking to hook up external speakers, it may be painful. The LED is listed as having an optical, but last I checked, it does not. Also, the component/composite connection is shared.

walkitoff


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I don't see anything about viewing angle on this. I've noticed a good bit of difference between some models, so starting to compare this, but don't see it for this one.

sutures


quality posts: 1 Private Messages sutures

I'm surprised that this picture isn't posted more often when the resolution wars start...

themacguy


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720p is plenty for a TV of this size. I have one (an old Westinghouse) about 12 feet away from where I sit. I can see sharp detail just fine.

wgoddard65


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Smeagol150 wrote:Best Buy reviews on the LCD are numerous and pretty great. Reviews on the LED are even more numerous and more great.

For either of these TVs, they will be perfect for basic watching. If you hook up 1080p sources to it, yes you will lose out on the full HD experience. However, if you're just looking for a TV to play news on in the morning, these are good options.

For the difference between LED to LCD, first you have to know an LED TV is an LCD TV. All LCD refers to is the screen of the TV, which in this case is the same. LED TV refers to the backlighting of the TV. TVs labeled as just LCD will use a florescent backlighting. LEDs are better for longevity, energy consumption, potentially thinner, and can (I emphasize can) provide a softer lighting. A LED TV is better than an LCD TV. If you go to a brick and mortar, you'll be hard-pressed to find the higher brands touching LCD anymore. In fact, the Samsung here is originally from 2 years ago.

When LED has everything better than LCD, when they cost the same to make, there's not a point to LCD anymore.

I should make a final point, on both of these TVs, the connections are very basic. There is no audio out for either model, so if you're looking to hook up external speakers, it may be painful. The LED is listed as having an optical, but last I checked, it does not. Also, the component/composite connection is shared.



very useful!

Wade Goddard

ci33


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I have been looking at 24"-32" displays over the past week and the ones that look best to me are still TFT LCD's. I am typing this using an old IBM L180P and it is clearer than many LED displays I have seen (with the exception of ones over $300. I know tv's are different but that is my input on LCD vs LED.

bluemaple


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ci33 wrote:I have been looking at 24"-32" displays over the past week and the ones that look best to me are still TFT LCD's. I am typing this using an old IBM L180P and it is clearer than many LED displays I have seen (with the exception of ones over $300. I know tv's are different but that is my input on LCD vs LED.


Umm, @ci33, please take a look at the 3rd paragraph of the post above yours. You appear to be making the very common mistake of mixing up LCD panel technology with LCD backlighting methods. Your old 'TFT LCD' (Thin Film Transistor) uses fluorescent backlighting. TFT LCD's can be either fluorescent or LED backlit.

The technology used in mainstream Monitor and TV displays is the same.

If you hanker for a nicer computer monitor look for an IPS technology display. Its picture quality will blow away your old monitor. And the price premium has come way down.

I'm surprised you haven't found even mainstream (example, Samsung) contemporary monitors to be superior to your old IBM for similar sizes/resolutions. LCD technology has improved massively in the past 5 years.

Edit: BTW, while Samsungs site specs don't say so I'll bet both these TVs use the same basic TFT panel technology as your IBM, only updated dramatically.

Could it be that you are comparing your 19 inch monitor to 24-32 monitors? Just as with old CRT/tube TVs, when you compress the same resolution (pixels) into a smaller space/display, the image quality improves when viewing from the same distance.

Wyatt8


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a Great article about the LCD / LED nomenclature from Digital Trends
(edited to note: Plasma screens are a whole different critter)

all commercial "LCD" or "LED" flat screens are LCDs...
as in Liquid Crystal Displays
yup
all commercial "TV" Liquid Crystal Displays need to be back lit ... and the differences are in what does the back-lighting job.

here's your difference...
The earliest flat screens were back lit with CCFL ... florescent tubes ...on the sides of the screen...
so they "own" the LCD abbreviation (the article describes the advantages)

Then came flat screens that were back lit with LEDs along the sides...
(also discussed in the above article)

Now there Are more complicated screens with a back-lighting grid of LED's behind the LCD ... these are responsive back-lighting, adjusting to elements in the picture to give blacker blacks and such ...

a fun article on different flat screen approaches all the way to OLED's which we're not seeing on Woot, yet

a perfect day to have a great day on purpose...
or because the store clerk told you to...

Moueska


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EPICUREAN!


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Out of all of the studying I'm doing to test out of a humanities course, how is that the only thing to pop up in the rapidfire woot-libs comments from me?

I'll never know.

Y'know what I do know?

love2cruise


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Pardon my ignorance, but does "no audio out" mean that there isn't an earphones plug? I was considering the LED until that sentence.

Igarden2


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love2cruise wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but does "no audio out" mean that there isn't an earphones plug? I was considering the LED until that sentence.



Unfortunately, I believe that is exactly what it means. Why? I'm at a loss to explain that. It would seem that since the box puts out sound from its own speakers it should be cheap enough to put a regular audio output on the back or side.
I own a fancy-schmancy big Panasonic that has the same lack of regular audio output. It, like many others, has 'digital' audio output. Optical output. That means I needed buy a Toslink cable and a special (Dolby) digital to analog converter just to hook up my regular audio sound equipment. That added over $100 to the purchase price just to get sound to my external speakers or earphones.
Le sigh ...

physco219


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0150r wrote:LED has nothing to do with resolution.

It's a 32" screen, there is no need for 1080P



So right on the $

chalion


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These have shipped, via fedex. if you go to fedex.com and use the reference lookup, you can use your order number to get tracking information. my 2 TV's should be delivered by Friday in Pennsylvania.


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ismatts


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chalion wrote:These have shipped, via fedex. if you go to fedex.com and use the reference lookup, you can use your order number to get tracking information. my 2 TV's should be delivered by Friday in Pennsylvania.





It gave me not found. What did you use for account number? I used my zip code.... Not sure if thats right.

ThunderThighs


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ismatts wrote:It gave me not found. What did you use for account number? I used my zip code.... Not sure if thats right.


Here you go:

You can use FedEx's “Track by Reference” feature to get tracking info using your order number. Your order number is on your order details which you can get via Stuff You Bought. Leave the Account Number blank. Enter your order number in the reference box. Next, select your country and enter your zip code. Click TRACK and voilà, you may have tracking info.



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ismatts


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ThunderThighs wrote:Here you go:

You can use FedEx's “Track by Reference” feature to get tracking info using your order number. Your order number is on your order details which you can get via Stuff You Bought. Leave the Account Number blank. Enter your order number in the reference box. Next, select your country and enter your zip code. Click TRACK and voilà, you may have tracking info.





I now get communication error, BUT I just now received my order has shipped woot email. Thanks for your help.

dabretty


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I received the 32" LCD version today. Didn't even plug it in, it's in terrible shape.

Every edge of the TV is terribly scratched (white showing, instead of the black frame), and the bottom (horizontal) piece is barely hanging on (and is peeled back in some areas).

I know what refurbished means, but this is just garbage. Hoping Woot comes through and just takes this thing back without a fight, and without me paying to ship their garbage back to them. This thing should/would sell for $60 in a second-hand store.




apichot


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I ordered the LED version as the woot specs said it had an ethernet port as well as A/V control (RS232). It came today and when I opened it I found that it had no Ethernet or RS232. In addition the tabs that connect the mount to the back of the TV were broken off and the damage was obvious. I am very disappointed!!