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HP 17.3" Full HD i7 TouchSmart Laptop

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lichme


quality posts: 3187 Private Messages lichme

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kolme


quality posts: 12 Private Messages kolme

For the love of all that is Woot, plzzzz make a laptop.woot.com...

bluemaple


quality posts: 77 Private Messages bluemaple

Pretty slick laptop and missing only SSD & Bluray (if you care)... OK, no dedicated graphics for gaming if that matters.

The guy doing this (a bit long due to slowww talk, repeats and pauses) review indicated this Woot is a Best Buy-specific model:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD3JeHKlbss



Edit: added $699.99 price / factory reconditioned / 90 day HP warranty.

luke975


quality posts: 14 Private Messages luke975
kolme wrote:For the love of all that is Woot, plzzzz make a laptop.woot.com...



don't forget dyson.woot

to the woot staff member that screwed up the back2skool code so I could get a lot of nice things for free - thank you.

conanthelibrarian


quality posts: 3914 Private Messages conanthelibrarian

Not sure which processor is right for you? Check out this handy processor guide

conanthelibrarian


quality posts: 3914 Private Messages conanthelibrarian

Let's read more about usb 3.0 or watch a video to learn more

kmartind


quality posts: 38 Private Messages kmartind

Overall, this looks like it would be a good choice for a luggable or desktop-replacement, for most anyone up to a light gamer (and honestly, for hardcore gaming you still basically need a desktop anyway).

Sure it's Windows 8, but it's touch screen so that partly makes up for it, and you can just load Start8 or Startisback and make it look like Windows 7 if desired.

Excellent latest-generation (4th gen, Haswell) Intel quad-core i7 processor (scores nearly 8000 on passmark):
http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4700MQ+%40+2.40GHz&id=1923

Nice screen resolution and fast-enough graphics plus a good backlit keyboard.
Edit: Other forums hint that this could possibly even have an IPS display. I wouldn't count on it, but if so, even better.

The hard drive will be the bottleneeck though. Swapping it out for a good quality SSD would really make the system fly.

Alternately, it has a second internal hard drive bay if you can find the right caddy and cable, or it looks like it should also have an empty mSATA slot which is intended for an SSD cache module, but could likely be used for a larger capacity mSATA SSD with a little extra fiddling.

yehoshuakelley


quality posts: 0 Private Messages yehoshuakelley

So, what is the screen resolution? The linked HP site says 1600x900. The linked Best Buy site says 1920x1080.

Which is it?


[MOD: We've confirmed that it is 1920 x 1080.]

daffy4u


quality posts: 1 Private Messages daffy4u

The description lists a Thunderbolt port but I don't see one in the images. It's missing from the specs page as well.

If it really does have a Thunderbolt port, I'm in.


[MOD: Sorry, no Thunderbolt port. It has been removed from the features. ]

jdpman


quality posts: 16 Private Messages jdpman

Whoa.

The "I want one" button is part of the guy's arm.

You could say that the I want one button .......... wants one.

*mind blown*

Batman4oz


quality posts: 19 Private Messages Batman4oz

I just don't get the fascination with Windows 8 and 'touching' your computer....a computer is a computer, and a tablet is a tablet! I lean back in my chair with a wireless keyboard when I am using my computer. I I can haz? to have to constantly re-position, and I have to need or desire to touch the stupid screen.
Just give me a damn Holodeck, already!
^^X^^


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^^X^^

jeffredo


quality posts: 2 Private Messages jeffredo

Have no need for a touchscreen. There's a keyboard and trackpad right there. Why would I want to be poking my greasy fingers on the screen? I'm not five years old - I want to keep that clean.

kolme


quality posts: 12 Private Messages kolme

I don't own this computer but I do own a dell xps 12 hybrid touchscreen with windows 8. Let me be the first to say that I do not like it at all (and it's supposed to be one of Dells better laptops). My point is that a laptop is best as a laptop and windows 8 is a giant headache. Combine them (like Microsoft had envisioned) and it really just gets worse. My computer is much more of a hassle than anything. It's only 2 months old and I've seen 3 BSOD and countless windows errors. My feeling is that the issues stem from the touch capabilities and windows 8. - I won't be buying a similar style computer until they improve the technology.

walsh006


quality posts: 0 Private Messages walsh006
kmartind wrote:Overall, this looks like it would be a good choice for a luggable or desktop-replacement, for most anyone up to a light gamer (and honestly, for hardcore gaming you still basically need a desktop anyway).

Sure it's Windows 8, but it's touch screen so that partly makes up for it, and you can just load Start8 or Startisback and make it look like Windows 7 if desired.

Excellent latest-generation (4th gen, Haswell) Intel quad-core i7 processor (scores nearly 8000 on passmark):
http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-4700MQ+%40+2.40GHz&id=1923

Nice screen resolution and fast-enough graphics plus a good backlit keyboard.
Edit: Other forums hint that this could possibly even have an IPS display. I wouldn't count on it, but if so, even better.

The hard drive will be the bottleneeck though. Swapping it out for a good quality SSD would really make the system fly.

Alternately, it has a second internal hard drive bay if you can find the right caddy and cable, or it looks like it should also have an empty mSATA slot which is intended for an SSD cache module, but could likely be used for a larger capacity mSATA SSD with a little extra fiddling.



Where do you get that it has a second internal hard drive bay? That would be awesome if it did, but I don't see where it says that.

chillzatl


quality posts: 3 Private Messages chillzatl

"why would I want to touch my laptop screen?"

If you haven't done it, then you simply don't understand. Touch screens aren't meant to replace kb/m anymore than a mouse was meant to replace the keyboard. It's just another input method and when you have an OS that's designed for it, you'll naturally find where it works for you. You will end up using it though and once you do, you'll miss it when you don't have it.

With that said, this is a pretty good deal on a touch laptop with that screen size.

zyodei


quality posts: 2 Private Messages zyodei

The idea of a touchscreen laptop is such a fail. I just can't see how it would be useful. I always use my lappie hooked up to a 21" monitor 80%+ of the time anyway.

chillzatl


quality posts: 3 Private Messages chillzatl
kolme wrote:I don't own this computer but I do own a dell xps 12 hybrid touchscreen with windows 8. Let me be the first to say that I do not like it at all (and it's supposed to be one of Dells better laptops). My point is that a laptop is best as a laptop and windows 8 is a giant headache. Combine them (like Microsoft had envisioned) and it really just gets worse. My computer is much more of a hassle than anything. It's only 2 months old and I've seen 3 BSOD and countless windows errors. My feeling is that the issues stem from the touch capabilities and windows 8. - I won't be buying a similar style computer until they improve the technology.



There's absolutely nothing about windows 8 or touch capabilities causing your blue screens. Whether you like the new UI or not is one thing, but Windows 8, under the hood, is better and more stable than windows 7. If you have a two month old computer that's having issues like that and you haven't called or sent it back, your problems are on you.

charlieny


quality posts: 2 Private Messages charlieny

I bought essentially the custom build to order 15" version of this one. I maxed out the ram at 16g, added a 1tb hybrid drive and included a discreet graphics card. I like it a lot. Very fast. My wife likes to play WOW on it.
Windows 8 is much better than Windows 7 under the hood. Spend $4.99 on Start8 if you want Windows 7 back and quit complaining.

bluemaple


quality posts: 77 Private Messages bluemaple
ruepric wrote:I'll continue to monitor this thread to see if thunderbolt exists or if Woot made a typo. Help anyone??


@ruepric, all credible evidence points to no thunderbolt on this Woot.

The only place it is mentioned is on the overview tab which may have been copied from the generic HP page for this model line.

Since this woot appears to be a Best Buy specific model and not available on HP's site, you can look at the detailed side pics on Best Buy's site.

Also, the video review posted above shows the sides of the laptop.

The detail specs on HP's support page for this model number and on Best Buy's spec page for this model number make no mention of it.

ThunderThighs


quality posts: 617 Private Messages ThunderThighs

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jdpman wrote:Whoa.

The "I want one" button is part of the guy's arm.

You could say that the I want one button .......... wants one.

*mind blown*

Made me think of "Thing" from the Addams Family.



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Sale Update - No Thunderbolt Port


The features incorrectly stated that this laptop had a Thunderbolt port. It does not. The sale has been updated.

Sorry for the error. We are setting up the whipping post now.



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mdrcoast


quality posts: 16 Private Messages mdrcoast

I actually played with one of these yesterday and was very impressed. Don't need one right now but if you are looking, go ahead and pull the trigger on this. It is a very sweet machine.

mmrbr


quality posts: 1 Private Messages mmrbr
Batman4oz wrote:I just don't get the fascination with Windows 8 and 'touching' your computer....a computer is a computer, and a tablet is a tablet! I lean back in my chair with a wireless keyboard when I am using my computer. I I can haz? to have to constantly re-position, and I have to need or desire to touch the stupid screen.
Just give me a damn Holodeck, already!
^^X^^



Yea I don't get why people like these "smart phones". I mean... a phone is a phone and a palm pilot is a palm pilot. I lean back in my chair while I'm talking on the phone and I want to sync my outlook calendar at the same time. But if I had a smartphone I couldn't do that because I'd have to hang up the phone and sit up straight in my chair to sync my outlook calendar. Plus I like having multiple electronics clipped onto my belt. Sheesh! I just don't get it!!!
:rollseyes:

dliidlii


quality posts: 34 Private Messages dliidlii

Two words: BLACK FRIDAY

kmartind


quality posts: 38 Private Messages kmartind
jeffredo wrote:Have no need for a touchscreen. There's a keyboard and trackpad right there. Why would I want to be poking my greasy fingers on the screen? I'm not five years old - I want to keep that clean.


While you don't absolutely "need" it, you'll find you do want a touch screen if you even attempt to use the Metro interface of Windows 8 frequently (rather than loading Start8 or Stattisback and just using it like Windows 7, which is also a popular choice).

People don't seem to mind poking their greasy fingers at their phones and tablets, although it never hurts to invest in some screen wipes or similar (just do NOT use Windex or some other cleaner that isn't intended for electronics).

Or to help reduce the finger prints there's that Leap Motion thing that works like a mini-Kinect. It looks like a similar laptop model will even have that built in, in addition to the touch screen (this Woot! obviously does NOT have that though, so you'd need to buy the standalone Leap Motion peripheral):

NOTE: The video is not of this Woot! but is just to illustrate the above point about fingerprints. Also Leap Motion is brand new so there are probably still some kinks to work out in the software (see also http://www.leapmotion.com).

jpcmpute


quality posts: 0 Private Messages jpcmpute

Ever wonder why woot has so many HP "refurbished" laptops for sale? In my honest opinion and experience, it is because they make such poor products, read all the reviews at Amazon and BestBuy, constant issues of all kinds, mine just freezes up all the time, tech support is nearly non-existant!

kmartind


quality posts: 38 Private Messages kmartind
jpcmpute wrote:Ever wonder why woot has so many HP "refurbished" laptops for sale? In my honest opinion and experience, it is because they make such poor products, read all the reviews at Amazon and BestBuy


The Best Buy reviews of this model actually look stellar to me. There will always be a couple of people who get a lemon, or don't know how to use a computer (see also http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/) but there seem to be a surprising number of very good reviews of this model.
I think the biggest reason there are so many refurbs is that Best Buy sells millions upon millions of HP PCs and there will always be some percentage of people who get home and realize a 17" laptop is bigger than they really wanted, or that they hate Windows 8, or that they don't really do anything demanding with their PC and could get by just fine with a $300 plastic cheapie for web browsing and typing up an occasional report.
Some "refurbs" also seem to actually be overstock. My MILs refurbished laptop (from Woot! a year ago) looked exactly like brand new, not a single blemish on it. That's probably not always the case but I was pretty impressed at the time, and no issues since.

tradergeorge


quality posts: 15 Private Messages tradergeorge
joegasper wrote:Yes, supports dual hard drives and a mSSD.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?destination=review&config_id=8131870&aid=38293&pbid=LfO9RjzRhnA&aoid=35252&siteid=LfO9RjzRhnA-IJrWFxI8tk32Cm2CY7dRsQ#anchor-m_c_5



Your link points to a different model, and still does not state that there is a second bay. Please be specific...

kolme


quality posts: 12 Private Messages kolme
chillzatl wrote:There's absolutely nothing about windows 8 or touch capabilities causing your blue screens. Whether you like the new UI or not is one thing, but Windows 8, under the hood, is better and more stable than windows 7. If you have a two month old computer that's having issues like that and you haven't called or sent it back, your problems are on you.



Maybe I didn't mention that mine is one of about 323 computers that was bought for this school year. And the vast majority of us A. Really dislike them.... B. Have a crap ton of problems with them.... It's not an isolated situation.

tradergeorge


quality posts: 15 Private Messages tradergeorge
jpcmpute wrote:Ever wonder why woot has so many HP "refurbished" laptops for sale? In my honest opinion and experience, it is because they make such poor products, read all the reviews at Amazon and BestBuy, constant issues of all kinds, mine just freezes up all the time, tech support is nearly non-existant!



And the other side of this coin is that I have bought many refurbs for many years and have found them to perform at least as good and new products. I have no problem with them as long as it is a factory refurb and not a third party...

daffy4u


quality posts: 1 Private Messages daffy4u
jpcmpute wrote:Ever wonder why woot has so many HP "refurbished" laptops for sale? In my honest opinion and experience, it is because they make such poor products, read all the reviews at Amazon and BestBuy, constant issues of all kinds, mine just freezes up all the time, tech support is nearly non-existant!



Can't say that has been my experience. I just upgraded from a 3 year old HP laptop {which had to be serviced because I dropped it} with a new HP Touchscreen laptop. It served me well but the technology is lacking behind what I need for work. I'm passing it on to my niece.

I have my issues with HP over the webOS debacle but their laptops have done well by me.

kmartind


quality posts: 38 Private Messages kmartind
kolme wrote:Maybe I didn't mention that mine is one of about 323 computers that was bought for this school year. And the vast majority of us A. Really dislike them.... B. Have a crap ton of problems with them.... It's not an isolated situation.


Maybe Dell was having a bad day when they built that batch? Or if it's blue screening it could be a driver issue, did you check Dell for an updated graphics driver (perhaps also storage controller/chipset/network drivers)? Also, don't trust the driver updates that Microsoft puts on Windows Update unless that's your only option. MS has been messing up people PCs that way ever since Vista, if not before that.

(resists the temptation to re-post the kids can't use computers link from a few posts up).

bluemaple


quality posts: 77 Private Messages bluemaple
jpcmpute wrote:Ever wonder why woot has so many HP "refurbished" laptops for sale? In my honest opinion and experience, it is because they make such poor products, read all the reviews at Amazon and BestBuy, constant issues of all kinds, mine just freezes up all the time, tech support is nearly non-existant!


@jpcmpute,

Could it also be that of the top 3 PC sellers (HP, Lenovo, Dell) only HP does NOT appear to have their own *consumer* PC line refurb outlet website?

I'm sure we'll hear if this is not true.

kolme


quality posts: 12 Private Messages kolme
kmartind wrote:Maybe Dell was having a bad day when they built that batch? Or if it's blue screening it could be a driver issue, did you check Dell for an updated graphics driver (perhaps also storage controller/chipset/network drivers)? Also, don't trust the driver updates that Microsoft puts on Windows Update unless that's your only option. MS has been messing up people PCs that way ever since Vista, if not before that.

(resists the temptation to re-post the kids can't use computers link from a few posts up).



Yeah, we are required to keep all drivers up to date (most of us do it through windows update) for testing purposes. Yet, they are remain buggy. Who knows.. It could be a bad batch from DELL, but for now I'll be avoiding the touchscreen/Windows 8 pairing.

kmartind


quality posts: 38 Private Messages kmartind
tradergeorge wrote:Your link points to a different model, and still does not state that there is a second bay. Please be specific...


There is definitely a second hard drive bay. It looks like the HP part number for the caddy and cable needed to add a second drive is 720237-001 according to forum postings.

Or if that's not specific enough:



The Newmodeus caddy/cable doesn't look exactly the same, but should still at least work.

Edit: Adding direct links to two soures of the needed part kit, and the forum thread:

HP Part Store: http://h20141.www2.hp.com/Hpparts/Search_Results.aspx?SearchIn=PartNumber&SearchPN=720237-001

Newmodeus: http://www.newmodeus.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5&products_id=542

Forum thread for reference:
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Hardware-Upgrades-Replacements/Adding-a-2nd-hard-drive-to-an-Envy-m7-j010dx/td-p/2738615

dannnnnn


quality posts: 3 Private Messages dannnnnn
jdpman wrote:Whoa.

The "I want one" button is part of the guy's arm.

You could say that the I want one button .......... wants one.

*mind blown*



It's kind of creeping me out

smooth3d


quality posts: 0 Private Messages smooth3d
kolme wrote:Yeah, we are required to keep all drivers up to date (most of us do it through windows update) for testing purposes. Yet, they are remain buggy. Who knows.. It could be a bad batch from DELL, but for now I'll be avoiding the touchscreen/Windows 8 pairing.



I have 2 touchscreen/Win 8 laptops and have never had a BSOD. Its not a win 8/Touchscreen issue. You have a driver issue most likely. You are just jumping to conclusions because you don't like Win 8. Actually Win 8 and touch is bake in very well.

kmartind


quality posts: 38 Private Messages kmartind
kolme wrote:Yeah, we are required to keep all drivers up to date (most of us do it through windows update)


If you're updating drivers through Windows Update, I'd at least try doing a clean install on one and then using drivers only from Dell and not MS to see if the problems still happen. While the MS-packaged drivers often work, I've also seen several instances over the years where the drivers on Windows Update actually messed things up while the drivers from the manufacturer's site worked fine.