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Poll: How do you feel about Edward Snowden's nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize?
  • 54.7% - It's preposterous, and I'll tell you why in the comments. 616
  • 45.3% - I'm behind it, and I'll tell you why in the comments. 511
1127 votes

Well, how do you fare compared to the Zeitgeist? Chat up your fellow wooters and let us know how lame this poll was or what obvious choices we missed. For example: Was this poll a) STUPID, b) DUMB, c) POINTLESS or d) ALL OF THE ABOVE?

soren216


quality posts: 3 Private Messages soren216

Sharing your native countries secrets makes you a hero? I don't care how many people think he is a hero, but the truth is he is a domestic terrorist. He spread our secrets to anybody who would listen, and even if it's outdated information it is still valuable. He should be prime target for an all out manhunt not a Nobel prize!

hared


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soren216 wrote:Sharing your native countries secrets makes you a hero? I don't care how many people think he is a hero, but the truth is he is a domestic terrorist. He spread our secrets to anybody who would listen, and even if it's outdated information it is still valuable. He should be prime target for an all out manhunt not a Nobel prize!



What!?

sillstaw


quality posts: 6 Private Messages sillstaw

Is Woot just asking for flame wars?

(Incidentally: Yeah, he deserves it.)

rhh33672


quality posts: 6 Private Messages rhh33672

Snowden is a traitor no matter what. He is a self righteous POS.

phredt


quality posts: 0 Private Messages phredt

If there were any justice in the world, Carmela Vitale would have won a nobel prize in 1985 for her revolutionary work of inventing the pizza saver.

conculcate


quality posts: 0 Private Messages conculcate

The man is braver and more patriotic than any of the sheep who call for him to be jailed or worse.

He took a tremendous risk to defend our freedom, not expecting any thanks for it. I, for one, thank him for his service to the country and the world.

Remember, all that's required for evil to prevail is that good people can't be bothered to stop it.

dnlkolender


quality posts: 1 Private Messages dnlkolender
rhh33672 wrote:Snowden is a traitor no matter what. He is a self righteous POS.



Very much indeed!!!!!

danwat1234


quality posts: 5 Private Messages danwat1234

He's a hero in my eyes. Without him, perhaps the majority of Americans wouldn't of known about NSA's activities.

DrHardcrab


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Plenty of people think he should be shot and plenty of people think he should have his face carved on Mt. Rushmore. But come on people. The Nobel Peace Prize? Why not throw in a Grammy and an Oscar too?

BobInFla


quality posts: 0 Private Messages BobInFla

If O-Bozo won a peace prize, then it has lost all of it's meaning. I mean, giving fighter jets to Lybia is peaceful? Come on. What a bunch of horse sheet.

catlavander


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DrHardcrab wrote:Plenty of people think he should be shot and plenty of people think he should have his face carved on Mt. Rushmore. But come on people. The Nobel Peace Prize? Why not throw in a Grammy and an Oscar too?



Seconded! Well said!

mmmmm....

lamb1020


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I don't think he should be getting nominated for an award. Then again I don't really know what the prize is supposed to be about. They have really surprised me with what seems to be quality. It seems more like a popularity contest.

winfreg


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He is a traitor, plain and simple. I too have a federal government security clearance and an important part of the process is undertaking an oath to protect the Nation's secrets and defend the Constitution. He broke an oath to the American people and should be brought to justice. Moreover, he should face the maximum penalty to send a strong message to other self-righteous, self-appointed martyrs who may be encouraged by his act of treason. The fact that he is hiding out in Russia, the Cold War refuge for American turncoats, says it all.

shaffer001


quality posts: 0 Private Messages shaffer001

We need people brave enough to pull back the curtain and reveal what is hidden behind. Too many people would rather turn a blind eye and that is how abuses of the system are allowed to happen. By the time the truth is revealed, if ever, the damage has been done.

DivineAna


quality posts: 9 Private Messages DivineAna

Y'all haven't really heard of the concept of "nuance", have you?

Marcusx70


quality posts: 1 Private Messages Marcusx70

Snowden is a TOOL! He took secrets he was trusted with and ran off to another country compromising our safety. You think that this all started with Obama? Heck no. I would dare say we have been doing this type of thing since Nixon was in office. For him to get a peace prize is hilarious. He didn't bring peace, he put us in danger of being murdered by someone we could have spied on to stop it.

Oh and for those of you cheering him on this stuff was brought you by the Patriot Act IE GW Bush. My feeling is that Snowden will meet with a "unfortunate" accident in the next few years courtesy of an allied nation or Russia themselves. He now put the whole world on watch for doing this. No one can spy on each other like they use to. He is a target and I hope someone gets to prove me right.

randecarlson


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No one can be sure yet since we don't have enough information to determine his motivation.

thumperchick


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DrHardcrab wrote:Plenty of people think he should be shot and plenty of people think he should have his face carved on Mt. Rushmore. But come on people. The Nobel Peace Prize? Why not throw in a Grammy and an Oscar too?



We did throw one to Obama, just for showing up, so...?

Really though, I agree with you. His controversial actions did NOT make the world a more peaceful place - or even a more safe one.

Now ask simply if the US government is villianizing him in an attempt to take away from their shady practices? Yes.

thumperchick


quality posts: 241 Private Messages thumperchick
winfreg wrote:...an important part of the process is undertaking an oath to protect the Nation's secrets and defend the Constitution.



Ooh, now I'm curious - if those 2 goals/oaths are at odds, which do you choose? Do you keep this nation's secrets, if what they are doing undermine's the Constitution? Or do you blow the whistle to protect the basis for our nation?

(I am serious and curious.)

division42


quality posts: 0 Private Messages division42

The NSA's spying on its own citizens is tantamount to a police state. Give the man a medal.

PapaMidnight


quality posts: 4 Private Messages PapaMidnight

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6 years bag-of-crapless and counting...

SGRman05


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winfreg wrote:He is a traitor, plain and simple. I too have a federal government security clearance and an important part of the process is undertaking an oath to protect the Nation's secrets and defend the Constitution. He broke an oath to the American people and should be brought to justice. Moreover, he should face the maximum penalty to send a strong message to other self-righteous, self-appointed martyrs who may be encouraged by his act of treason. The fact that he is hiding out in Russia, the Cold War refuge for American turncoats, says it all.



Exactly! He's a traitor plain and simple and should be tried as one, not given a prize, but a price on his head.

SGRman05


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shaffer001 wrote:We need people brave enough to pull back the curtain and reveal what is hidden behind. Too many people would rather turn a blind eye and that is how abuses of the system are allowed to happen. By the time the truth is revealed, if ever, the damage has been done.



There's programs available for this though -- especially important for CLASSIFIED Material. You don't get the right to just release information into the public sector just because you think there's something wrong with it.
He should have gone the route of the Whistleblower and had an Internal Audit and Review...

robertwooddellweaver


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thumperchick wrote:Ooh, now I'm curious - if those 2 goals/oaths are at odds, which do you choose? Do you keep this nation's secrets, if what they are doing undermine's the Constitution? Or do you blow the whistle to protect the basis for our nation?

(I am serious and curious.)



(from an article on the web two years ago, pre-Snowden)

Every employee takes an oath or affirmation, required by Article VI of the U.S. Constitution to “support the Constitution.” Since 1884, employees have taken this expanded version of the oath, described in the U.S. Code (Title 5, Chapter 33).

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

[...]

Sometimes, classified information contains evidence of waste, fraud or corruption, documents abuses of human rights, or it exposes negligent handling of national security. In such cases, classifying the information was illegal. Executive Order 13526 forbids classifying information to hide violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error or to avoid embarrassing officials.

An employee who encounters classified evidence of wrongdoing therefore is compelled to ask, “Which of the applicable laws has priority?” Agencies provide little or no guidance to employees for dealing with the moral hazard dumped in their laps. Think of it as a ticking black box with protruding wires in several colors. Does one pull the blue wire, the yellow or the red? Pull the wrong one and your career explodes.

yogi89


quality posts: 0 Private Messages yogi89

What *secrets* did he share? The US Government gathering terrorist information covertly is NO secret. If it is to you, what rock have you been living under? The US government collecting and keeping MY phone records is a threat to every American's Consitutional rights! But then....the Constitution is pretty much going the way of the Dodo bird with a Socialist in the White House. Snowden is a Patriot, not a traitor!

SumDuud


quality posts: 21 Private Messages SumDuud

I have to say that he deserves it more than the president that hadn't even yet done anything to earn it did. Being a black president is NOT a reason to be given a nobel peace prize!

I beleive the difference between patriot and traitor is a matter of time passed! I don't necessarily agree with him exposing who the US was spying on outside of the US, but I support him exposing the violation of the rights of the people of the country. Go ahead and try to argue national security with me about spying on your own people. If you really believe that is the case, you are the reason rights are being violated. Look into Security Theater, and then think about that or the tsa. I understand that some things need to be done to protect the people and the people as a whole may not agree with those things, but this was just a blatant violation of rights and abuse of power and should have been exposed! Action should also be taken to prevent it from happening again. Fact is everyone spies on other governments, even allies. It is known and wasn't much of a surprise to anyone that it was confirmed. Some governments spy on their own people, but the one that tries to go around the world saying its ways are better than everyone else's, whose very being is supposedly build on the foundation of this document explaining the rights of its people, should probably not be doing that.

I too have a government clearance and maybe it isn't high enough level, but I never took any oath. The military take an oath, I work around those guys, as a contractor (what Snowden was) I did not.

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firebirdude


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While I'm in agreement with what Snowden did, he doesn't deserve a friggin Noble Peace Prize. Completely different categories. He deserves a pat on the back and a hand shake. Nothing more.

firebirdude


quality posts: 19 Private Messages firebirdude
SumDuud wrote:I have to say that he deserves it more than the president that hadn't even yet done anything to earn it did. Being a black president is NOT a reason to be given a nobel peace prize!


Agree and agree. Obama did, literally, nothing and was awarded the Prize. Hasn't done jack squat since....except piss everyone off.

SumDuud


quality posts: 21 Private Messages SumDuud
SGRman05 wrote:He should have gone the route of the Whistleblower and had an Internal Audit and Review...


I'm sure that would have been easy and met with no resistance. He would have been locked up or had an accident, going the bureaucratic route would have yielded nothing.

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XStationCube


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I don't think he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, but I think he deserves something. I'd be curious if the people who say he deserves to be put to death for treason actually know what he did/said or if they're just hearing Fox News call him a traitor and running with it, because I don't see how people could defend the things the US is doing that he spoke up about.

ecolodge


quality posts: 0 Private Messages ecolodge

I don't think the nobel peace prize deserves someone like Snowden. The nobel prize is comparable to a plastic ring in a cracker jack box.

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stoow


quality posts: 0 Private Messages stoow

There was someone involved with the writing of the constitution, I can't remember his name, that wrote, and I'm paraphrasing, that if you see your constitutional rights being stepped on, you have the duty to report this. I don't know if Snowden had any ulterior motives, but our rights are being abrogated every day by people who have their ulterior motives.After I got out of the Army in 1968, I told anyone that would listen about the type of people "running" this coutry. You're a fool to believe that they are looking out for your interests.They learned from the Germans after WWII how to control people in this country. I'm glad that I'm 67 and don't have much longer in this world. They have destroyed a great country.

highdensity3


quality posts: 0 Private Messages highdensity3

"but the truth is he is a domestic terrorist."

Which makes him qualify for the Nobel Peace Prize...IE..Yasser Arafat 1994. Lets just move on folks. His 15 minutes ended 25 minutes ago!

bajadog


quality posts: 0 Private Messages bajadog

The Nobel "peace" prize is sort of a joke anyway.

Arafat got one, surprised Stalin and Pol Pot didn't.

Be nice.

rytard22


quality posts: 1 Private Messages rytard22
winfreg wrote:He is a traitor, plain and simple. I too have a federal government security clearance and an important part of the process is undertaking an oath to protect the Nation's secrets and defend the Constitution. He broke an oath to the American people and should be brought to justice. Moreover, he should face the maximum penalty to send a strong message to other self-righteous, self-appointed martyrs who may be encouraged by his act of treason. The fact that he is hiding out in Russia, the Cold War refuge for American turncoats, says it all.



What he said.
Too few people understand the meaning of classifying something as secret. The government doesn't just stamp SECRET on something for the hell of it. Releasing secret information compromises national security. Cleared contractors are well aware of their responsibility to protect secret information and the consequences they face if they fail to do so.

triplebud


quality posts: 2 Private Messages triplebud

You know nothing Ed Snow! Winter is coming!

SumDuud


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rytard22 wrote:What he said.
Too few people understand the meaning of classifying something as secret. The government doesn't just stamp SECRET on something for the hell of it. Releasing secret information compromises national security. Cleared contractors are well aware of their responsibility to protect secret information and the consequences they face if they fail to do so.

But that doesn't give the government the right to go against the very foundation of what it was built on! Yes government workers clearly know what will happen if they violate the rules about information classification (at least once a year there is mandatory training you must complete), but that doesn't mean one can't stand up for what they believe to be right. He knew what was going on was wrong and needed to be exposed, he knew the consequences, and he took action in a manner that would ensure his safety/"freedom" (even if only temporarily).

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agingdragqueen


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This discussion is A+++ so far, but I have deleted a couple name calling posts. So now that I'm postin' in here with the friendly reminder to stay friendly, I won't shy away from the big red probate button.