teedo757 wrote:Also I have heard there is an update to windows 8 that may make it usable and bring back the start bar.....(maybe)
Have you used Windows 8 much? The Start Screen has every single feature of the Start Menu, and then some. You can still pin your most-used apps and access all your installed apps, and you still have one-click system-wide search, which is a feature that has been around since Vista that a lot people just didn't know existed.
Try it - in Windows 8, hit the Windows key to go to the Start Screen, and just start typing the name of the application you want to launch.
The Start Screen looks different, but it hasn't taken away any of the features of the traditional start menu.
If you still want to boot directly to the traditional desktop, you can do that, too.