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quality posts: 0 Private Messages sandchigger

I think a better question is "how far does this go?" Will we be seeing holographic Cary Grant dancing around with a holographic Marilyn Monroe in a new movie in a couple years? If so, how long until we see bootleg Marilyn on Marilyn pr0n?


quality posts: 26 Private Messages taternuggets

Yeah, I think it's crap. It's just people, including his family, wanting to cash in by exploiting his digital corpse.

However, It makes me chuckle when I picture the audience members looking at each other with that obvious question written on their faces... "Wait, didn't this guy die?"

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quality posts: 2 Private Messages mikemol

We have actors reenact historical and public figures, living and long dead, in both respectful and satirical contexts.

What makes Tupac immune to a type of performance we might expect to see Einstein, Charlie Chaplain or F. A. Hayek in? That he died a gruesome death? What about Abraham Lincoln or Vincent van Gogh?


quality posts: 123 Private Messages tgentry

It's also not actually a hologram.


quality posts: 3 Private Messages regentswift

why stop with a hologram?

why not actually dig him up and drag him across stage? i'm sure they could sell a few CDs that way.


quality posts: 123 Private Messages tgentry

I wouldn't mind seeing Hologram Ronald Reagan come out sometime during the presidential campaign.


quality posts: 33 Private Messages olcubmaster

Ladies and gentlemen, welcoming to the National Theater and the live performance by Firesign Theater in "I Think We're All On This Bus.

Playing the part tonight of Peter Bergman is Peter Bergman's hologram.

Sugar 'em up and send 'em home


quality posts: 4 Private Messages stingray69

Maybe he did have the forethought to put a hologram (and other hologram-like technology) clause in his contracts. Remember the Dave Chappelle sketch (NSFW)?


quality posts: 0 Private Messages gcreedon

Part of the reason you find it 'gross' is the idea of the "Uncanny Valley".

Wikipedia can be fun sometimes when they really scholarly studies that refer to zombies. Here for your pleasure:

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The uncanny valley is a hypothesis in the field of robotics and 3D computer animation, which holds that when human replicas look and act almost, but not perfectly, like actual human beings, it causes a response of revulsion among human observers. The "valley" in question is a dip in a proposed graph of the positivity of human reaction as a function of a robot's human likeness.

The term was coined by the robotics professor Masahiro Mori as Bukimi no Tani Genshō (不気味の谷現象) in 1970. The hypothesis has been linked to Ernst Jentsch's concept of "the uncanny" identified in a 1906 essay, "On the Psychology of the Uncanny."Jentsch's conception was elaborated by Sigmund Freud in a 1919 essay entitled "The Uncanny" ("Das Unheimliche").


quality posts: 16 Private Messages FenStar

He doesn't care, on account that he is dead, so what is the problem?

Still single, can't imagine why.


quality posts: 32 Private Messages abitterwoman

You know, I'm really torn on this one. While this video was a little unsettling, and the goal, more than likely was to cash in, I don't think disrespect was intended. While I obviously can't speak for Tupac, we all know he was an entertainer and loved his fans. I think a lot of people miss him and enjoyed the tribute. That hologram (or whatever it was) was pretty amazing. If Tupac was looking down and watching it happen, the only thing I can imagine him saying is, "Damn, I look good." I don't think the line has been crossed...yet.

"Computers don't make errors. What they do, they do on purpose."


quality posts: 0 Private Messages tommeny

I think you've run out of things to talk about.


quality posts: 32 Private Messages llandar
mikemol wrote:We have actors reenact historical and public figures, living and long dead, in both respectful and satirical contexts.

What makes Tupac immune to a type of performance we might expect to see Einstein, Charlie Chaplain or F. A. Hayek in? That he died a gruesome death? What about Abraham Lincoln or Vincent van Gogh?

In your example, though, actors are depicting a person of historical note to give us a glimpse into what made them who they are (and, yes, entertain us).

I realize we're basically just arguing opinion and that can only go so far, but in my mind it's the difference between Bruno Ganz's amazing turn as Hitler in Downfall and creating a Hitler hologram so that people could boo and throw eggs at him.


quality posts: 0 Private Messages antiavenger

Earlier today someone compared this to Hatsune Miku. If you don't know who that is, wiki it.
Ultimately, that comparison is so spot on with me that I really agree with you Randall...


quality posts: 4 Private Messages wootfast

Digital Domain's Tupac is a fun premise. And it took a bumpy ride through uncanny valley to get here.(they did Benji Buttons and that thing that looked like young Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy)

I think they have finally got a good way to showcase what they can do. Like the switch from a live action Dr. Seuss films to CGI. Jim Carrey was both Horton and The Grinch.

The most important thing is to win over the crowd. So bravo, Digital Domain, I am all in for what the future holds for holograms. Even though its not a real hologram.

...also ditto on Hatsune Miku. Youtube Channel: "Kids React to:" asked a poignant question about this last October. Jump to 3:25


quality posts: 0 Private Messages cselk

Not that different than Nat King Cole performing post mortem with Natlie Cole.


quality posts: 1 Private Messages Paverbart

Not a rap fan, never really have been but that was pretty cool. To those asking what this could lead to or if it's OK, I have one name to throw out there...Elvis.


quality posts: 2 Private Messages apoor
tgentry wrote:It's also not actually a hologram.

+1 tgentry. I wish people would stop calling every rear-projection effect "a hologram" just because they can see through it. It's not even close to the same thing.

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quality posts: 11 Private Messages bogus

What about Elvis impersonators or Freddie Mercury night at the local karaoke bar? I don't really agree or disagree with holo-pac but this is basically just a continuation of decades-old practices.

What *is* wrong about this is that somewhere, some sleazy lawyer is getting free money by licensing Tupac's "image". American IPR law is a total joke but the near complete destruction of the concept of public domain is the greatest travesty of all. 15 years is more than long enough for a dead artist's backers to get their money's worth, now it's just base corporate welfare.


quality posts: 8 Private Messages maxrfb

I seem to recall there was a very similar uproar a few years ago when they inserted a Digital Fred Astaire into a Dirt Devil commercial
And a digital John Wayne into at least three Coors commercials and and

And then the uproar died away.

wow. I actually bought a Robot Elvis.
What was I thinking?


quality posts: 9 Private Messages 00000100

I hear people saying that it's not a hologram. What is it? Regardless of how you feel about the cultural impact, I am very curious about the technology.


quality posts: 2 Private Messages loatu

Miku Hatsune info. Since a completely holographic japanese idol is already out there.

This is just a continuation of the progression we're seeing. Artists these days make most of their money in touring, so why wouldn't a music production company look to cut costs by completely eliminating the human body that they used to have to pay millions to get to show up. Now they can just play a movie and call it good. Unless of course people decide it's not worth paying to see a hologram "in concert". (Though clearly Japanese people flock to see Miku Hatsune. The other obvious benefit of using holograms is that the image can be whatever you want. Instead of paying $400 to go see decrepit 70 year old "rock stars", they could just do a hologram of the same stars when they were in their prime. Photoshop effect already takes place in pictures and movie, why not in concerts? Female pop stars generally are only popular as long as they're pretty and a hologram can be the "perfect girl" that people want to watch for 100 years. There's a reason that the wiki page above cited shows her birth day/month but not year, and she'll always be 16.

Do I agree/not agree with this trend? I honestly don't much care. Businesses are gonna do what makes them money. They generally don't care about "should" vs "shouldn't". So if this keeps happening and people keep shelling out for it, it will keep happening. If they don't, then it'll stop.


quality posts: 1 Private Messages myuen02

I think my main problem with it is from an artistic standpoint. Have artists become so lazy that they need to trot out dead artists in order to stay relevant? I like Pac as much as the next guy, but I expect modern artists to innovate and create their own new thing without pandering to fans in this manner. Sure it's risky and people might hate it, but isn't that the purpose of art?

The technology is actually pretty simple. It's just a projection and some two way reflective foil; not really a hologram a la Star Trek.

See this diagram:


quality posts: 11 Private Messages theant

a note for anyone still looking, the embedded link at the top of the blog post has been "blocked due to copyright claims"... if you search for tupoc on youtube though, you can still find other copy's of the video in question.


quality posts: 0 Private Messages 18echo

I was about to say that doing this crossed the line, then you mentioned Monroe..

Line? What line? Full speed ahead..