Thermaltake Floe Dual Riing RGB 280

UPDATE#2: After several updates and changing thermal pastes and software updates - the last one in Chinese or something similar - I have submitted an official complaint about the misleading practices relating to this and other Tt products. This riing will not keep up with the thermal load of a Ryzen nor a Threadripper. The latest update Which I had to get from their website actually broke both my audio drivers. I had to remove the Tt software and reinstall my audio and video drivers today. I have put in for an RMA with Thermaltake but who cares. I will never get my $150.00 back. Why is it not yet compatible with Aorus or have an adapter for any motherboard maker to allow control of the LEDs and fans? Why say they support processors that they can't keep cool? Both an AMD 1920X, and ryzen 7 2700X system - both vanilla - crashed from thermal max - BSOD and reboot to BIOS. I have tried everything to manage the temps but in the end it was futile. The temps look good for a few minutes or at 0% processor load, but as thermals build from demand this AIO just cannot keep the processor cool enough to keep running. FYI: I convert and compress video, photos and create music. I watch films and streaming services. I game lightly. Do yourself a favor and stay away from this brand for a while. It is currently out to lunch. I ordered two Cooler master tower fans to cool my Threadripper and Ryzen cpus. Yes I am have gone back to pipes and fans. They work great and keep thermal loads in check below or at 60C overnight and beyond. Thank you for reading this true rant. I am sorry if it ends up disappointing some folks. regards. UPDATE#1: The software continues to crash during boot, after an update to fix issues that were not even on the list of things broken... What are you doing Thermaltake? Sometimes it works and sometimes not - GAH! Sometimes my fans make up their own mind what to do. Next month I think I am going to replace this with a different cooler. Actually the only reason for going liquid was NOT cooling but decibels and excitement factor. At this point I think I am going back to hard pipe cooling. This liquid CLS-AIO is for the birds. As far as I can tell Liquid cooling is for bragging rights - not technically needed for thermal management. I am disappointed. I know I got ripped off by the misrepresentation of the product. HISTORY: My system build starts with an AMD 1920X on a Gigabyte Designare X399 Mo-Bo. With the latest bios update. The system is stable with G. Skill RGB 3200 ram. I have implanted an NVMe Pci-e Samsung EVO 960 drive and power from a Corsair RM850i - the non RGB version of their power supply. All of this is a vanilla system with NO overclocking and a stable OS, viewed on a Sceptre UHD monitor. THE COOLER: One of the recommended cooler manufacturers for this processor, on AMD's website, was Thermaltake closed loop AIO coolers. I chose this cooler on recommendation from Thermaltake and the lighting ability of it. I was not convinced of its efficacy for the first 48 hours after the install. I almost took it out because of temperature control issues. 71C to be exact, and BSODs every 20 minutes. Suspecting the Tt software controller was to blame, I reinstalled the awful stuff. THE SOFTWARE: this interface is just idiotic. Great idea - childish implementation. It is alpha software at best. I played around with it and noticed that - though workable - the control software was greatly flawed as follows, and not enjoyable to use. THE INTERFACE: is not resizable; there is no drag and expand, so on a UHD monitor, the whole interface is quite small unless one sets the windows text settings to a larger size. That causes the text to become cut off because the interface itself does not expand to fit the text. THE INITIAL SETUP: forces the selection of the 4th fan controller first. The interface will not work correctly if you don’t select interface 4 first. Then it allows selection of the first monitor... FAN CONTROL: NO FAN SPEED CONTROL on the interface for Floe Riing RGB drop down selection. It is only available in the Riing-Plus selection from the drop-down menus of the monitors which shouldn't work since this is the Floe dual riing RGB - not the Riing-Plus.. Guess what? That can only be selected on monitors down lists NOT related to where the actual pump is plugged into the CPU position - monitor 1, The software balks with an error in red text stating no connected device if you change the pump/cpu monitor to anything but what it actually is. The rest of the monitors apparently do not care if some other hardware is selected instead. Crazy stuff yeah? TEXT SIZE: None of the text on a UHD monitor is legible unless face planting the screen, or in my case using magnifying glasses, remember, The GUI is not resizable - but whatever is done to Windows resizing is mostly mirrored INSIDE the GUI frame so stuff gets cut off and overlaps. Truly I should not have to resize windows interface and resolution, etc. to make the interface usable, but if they require it of the user, then the GUI should expand to fit the required changes. TWEAKING RESULTS: After all of the playing around and reinstalling, and playing around more, I finally managed to control the temperature better. Now I span temps in C from about 35C to 65C depending on the load. BEFORE TWEAKING: the temperature spanned from 45C to 71C. Under a sustained load it grew roots at 71C. THE LIGHTS: are nice on the radiator and the noise level is lower than the tower air cooler I used on my old AMD FX-8350 Black processor. THE PUMP: Yet another big issue is the pump speed. As beautiful as it is with the RGD-LED factor, the pump speed/rpm is NOT controllable through the software or anywhere else. There is no real time data on how the pump is performing - not even rpm. I suppose they need that pump speed to stay static to fully disperse water against the fins of the water block? At a minimum, builders need to know if the rpm on the pump is correct. INITIAL ROUND-UP :> Does it keep the system running? Yes of course. Is it where I think it should be for that much money? Hell no. The software needs a total rework by someone who cares about control interfaces. The LED's need better flow control within the factory set patterns. The controls need to be fully legible on a UHD screen. There is a continuous disconnect between manufacturers for the AORUS LED controls. Even GIGABYTE apps have disconnects between their own control software. Some apps don't work on the new X399 chip-sets, even though they have advertised their app control center as compatible. ASUSs AORUS controls are not compatible with any builders except those that are in partnership with them. THE END RESULTS: I don’t feel like I won the battle. I like the hardware - truly. But there is no warm and fuzzy feeling for those who adopt early. There is still much wrong with the software control from Thermaltake that I have not even touched on, such as memory loss, glitchy selection processes, and support. Thermaltake and others are already getting ready to release (or are they already released?) new AIO cooling systems so watch for those and wait to adopt if you can.. I cannot wholly support this cooler because of the initial cooling control disconnect between hardware and the software interface. I have higher expectations for that much time and money invested.